Cam forcing it to Smith

[Thorrez]

I honestly think the announcers had absolutly no clue.

I lost count on how many times they show a replay of an "open" receiver, only as the camera move a little to reveal that there is a safety sitting on the route with a perfect opportunity to pick it off if thrown. So I give less than a rats ass for all the "Olsen was open" talk.

[JSouth]

Olsen was open, quite a bit. I was wondering also if something might be going on between them. They need to make it right if there is. Team should always be more important than personal gripes.

[mwright350]

Olsen was open, quite a bit. I was wondering also if something might be going on between them. They need to make it right if there is. Team should always be more important than personal gripes.

There's no real evidence to support any more than a "hey I wonder if they don't like each other much". Exactly zero evidence to support Cam being so petty as to not throw to an open receiver because of a dislike. Frankly I think if the announcers had not spent all day going "gee does Cam not like Olsen or something?" most of the people wondering that same thing would have never thought it. I know people say where there's smoke there's fire. In this case there is no smoke and no fire. There is conjecture. Maybe they don't like each other but they're professionals and I do not believe that even if they did it would cause what happened today.

The far more likely scenario today is that Cam got hit more often than he was able to complete a pass. If you put that kind of pressure on a QB they rush their reads and generally do not play as well. Better than average chance that if you're a Carolina QB and you need somewhere to throw the ball by default Smitty is near the top of that list.

No need to invite team drama - we have plenty of verifiable stuff to worry about.

[CarolinaNut]

Cam forces it to whoever his first option is...he doesn't like to go through progressions...he needs to learn to read the defense and take what they are giving him

[Thorrez]

Just rewatch most of the first half. Our third play (3 and 7) Cam throws to Olsen over the middle. It does not look like the throw is off but still the safety makes a play and should have intercepted it.

So the most likely reason that Cam did not throw to Olsen is that in the middle he was covered and the catches he usually makes a lot of torwards the sideline after he has run through the zone coverage in the middle just wasn´t there as Cam did not get the time to wait for it.

But why try to go for the most obvious, boring, explaination when you can be a talking head and make up a hate story?

[JawnyBlaze]

Cam's usually pretty good with his progressions. I think the Seattle D-line is just so fast he was trying to act quicker than usual and that's why he went Smitty's way so much, even when it wasn't smart. I certainly don't think it's something so stupid as Smitty telling Cam to get off the bench and watch the game made Cam feel like Smitty wanted him to throw him the ball more...that's as big a leap in logic as I've ever seen.

[jtnc]

Cam was great at going through his progressions the ATL game.

[Rubi]

What happened was....

Thread starter heard the announcer say it.... Decided there was no threads on the huddle about it and wanted there to be one. All along, the announcer was wrong.

/thread

Radio or TV? I listen to the radio, did they say it?

You must know everything there is to know about everything

[Rubi]

Cam's usually pretty good with his progressions. I think the Seattle D-line is just so fast he was trying to act quicker than usual and that's why he went Smitty's way so much, even when it wasn't smart. I certainly don't think it's something so stupid as Smitty telling Cam to get off the bench and watch the game made Cam feel like Smitty wanted him to throw him the ball more...that's as big a leap in logic as I've ever seen.

After you said Cam is usually good with his progressions I didn't really pay attention to everything else you put but...

I believe there is a big chemistry issue with this team.

And why is that as biggest leap in logic you've ever seen?

[Guest Hokebuck]

Why do Steve Smith have to jump for nearly ever pass thrown to him? :o

[JawnyBlaze]

After you said Cam is usually good with his progressions I didn't really pay attention to everything else you put but...

I believe there is a big chemistry issue with this team.

And why is that as biggest leap in logic you've ever seen?

Because Smitty telling Cam he needs to watch the game and stay involved instead of sulking has absolutely nothing to do with Smitty not getting thrown to enough. Smitty wasn't annoyed at Cam for not throwing him the ball enough, he was annoyed he wasn't paying attention to the game still going on in order to learn.

And if you don't think Cam is usually good with his progressions, you're not watching closely enough. Most of the times he "locks in" on a receiver is when it's supposed to be a quick pass where he's supposed to throw it to one receiver. I didn't say he's perfect at going through his progressions, I said usually good. Better than average for a guy at his point in his career.

[Lumps]

Smith needs to be a #2 in the slot. Honestly, he has lost speed despite what homers will say. Smitty will break down with age, no one in the history of the world's existence has found a way out of that one. The problem is we need to start catering to it. The bigger, younger recievers need to be on the outside, expecially with teams bringing in giant CBs now days who are fast as well. If no one is fast enough, or good enough to step into the #1 role, the panthers need to get on it ASAP IMO. Smitty is fading out, still far from useless of course. But you look at these forced balls as a sign of not only forcing plays but the team has some sort of loyalty sticking smitty on the outside and forcing him to be a #1, like some sort of denial about his aging and abilities. Smitty size has never mattered but age will change that, no one is immortal.

I jsut think smitty would be better utilized in the slot, another reciver is needed. Simple as that. Can you imagien a larger, younger #1WR on the outside and smitty in the slot? The fact that we did not have one reciver who could face bigger, faster CBs is not good at all. I think Smitty is trying to do too much and I think Cam is trying to do too much.

[rayzor]

cam was most certainly forcing the ball to smith. little guy shouldn't have gotten thrown to as often as he did. smith seemed preoccupied with fighting the guy covering him and i think we're going to be seeing a lot more of that. people are going to start messing with him every game and take advantage of that chip on his shoulder. it seems like it's easier to get into his head this year and he spends more time scrapping with the secondary.

it almost seems like cam and smitty had some kind of understanding that since they are the best players on that team that if they want to win they are going to have to do it themselves. yeah, i totally pulled that out of my ass, but it's as good an explanation as anything.

there is a problem with the scheme and play calling, but there's also problems with the players trying to run it and rivera was most certainly right when he said that cam was trying to push things too much.

[Rubi]

Because Smitty telling Cam he needs to watch the game and stay involved instead of sulking has absolutely nothing to do with Smitty not getting thrown to enough. Smitty wasn't annoyed at Cam for not throwing him the ball enough, he was annoyed he wasn't paying attention to the game still going on in order to learn.

And if you don't think Cam is usually good with his progressions, you're not watching closely enough. Most of the times he "locks in" on a receiver is when it's supposed to be a quick pass where he's supposed to throw it to one receiver. I didn't say he's perfect at going through his progressions, I said usually good. Better than average for a guy at his point in his career.

It's not about what he said. It's just the incident / media drama that took place. I think there's correlation between all the pressure that's being placed on Cam and his poor performance