No excuses: Redskins need a new nickname....

[dexterpyro]

They should change their name to the Snyders.....Curse them for eternity lol

My wife is half native american and her father was cherokee indian.....his favorite football team was the redskins....

I think that it is offensive to some people...just as the confederate flag is offensive....

[Sloth]

Yeah, the next NFL team should be the L.A. Darkies or the San Antonio Wetbacks. Nobody means any harm and it's just a name.

And omfg if anyone complains.. lolz. Bunch of f'ing whiners just looking to be offended.

[Epistaxis]

Nope.

They kept the inaccuracies in order to keep alumni happy.

And they kept it because they were getting paid, directly or indirectly in the form of funding for educational purposes and other perks.

Which again, is fine, if it wasn't for the inconvenient fact that the Oklahoma Seminole nation doesn't quite agree entirely....which HAS to beg the question, in the mind of the rational thinker.....why?

Money.

Upon further review, it appears that the Oklahoma Seminole nation voted IN FAVOR of the continued use of Chief Osceola.

Good.

The minority opinion in their council was voiced by David Narcomey...

But dissent has been voiced within the Seminole Nation of Oklahoma, primarily by general council member David Narcomey, but the council has taken no official position on the FSU issue, according to Jennifer McBee, the tribe attorney general. Narcomey, saying he was voicing his opinion only, wrote in an e-mail to USA TODAY of the decision: "I am deeply appalled, incredulously disappointed ... I am nauseated that the NCAA is allowing this 'minstrel show' to carry on this form of racism in the 21st century."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/2005-08-23-fsu-mascot-approved_x.htm

So I guess it is cool. But I would hope that the point isn't lost on anyone that it clearly has to do with how much money you throw around, rather than the principle of the thing. Because neither you nor anyone else can convince me that FSU's Chief Osceola is ANY different than Chief Illiniwek, which was deemed "hostile and offensive", and rightfully so.

I think that makes the situation reek of corruption.

You can't have it both ways.

Either they all go, or none of them go.

And IMO, they should all go.

Hypocrisy, thy name is NCAA athletics.

Follow the money is never wrong.

[KillerKat]

If there is a problem using Seminoles that describes a group of people, why no outrage for using Cowboys that also describes a group of people?

Seminoles consisted of not only natives, but african americans too. So just because Cowboys consisted of mostly whites, it's ok that they're made a mockery of? If people are going to get offended over a name that describes a group of people, they'll have to look at other names as well. What about the Steelers? Chiefs? 49ers? Patriots? Texans? Raiders? Buccaneers? Packers? Saints?

PanthersFanNY is right on one part. I read that FSU is allowed to continue the use of the mascot name Seminole because the tribes in Oklahoma and Florida both agreed on the relationship and details used by the school. So I guess if you are going to have a name that represents a group of people, better get the details straight. Which brings me back to the term Cowboys...think they're being used correctly or any other name that i mentioned or HAVEN'T mentioned?

Btw, NAES conducted a survey 5 years ago asking Native Americans if they had a problem with the name Redskins. 91% of them had no problem with it. Those that do are in the very minority of the minority. They can't change their minds suddenly. They're either all for it or all against it. Washington can't cave in to such a small group of people when almost all of their own people have no problem with it. Me personally, I view the name has honoring Natives.

[mantal]

As a 1/8 Cherokee, I can say I have no problem with the Redskin, Braves or Seminole names. Why? They are honoring the American Indian, not defiling them. I just don't get it...

That being said, you guys are assholes for the way we were treated by your ancestors...

[Liminy]

This is dumb. I am part cherokee and catawba and the term "redskin" doesn't bother me. I don't see why the term Indian doesn't bother more people, considering it was a misunderstanding to call Native Americans Indians in the first place. If your offended by it then take a Native American vote on it, because usually it's someone who is in no way related to the race of people who brings up how offensive it is.

And plus, the redskin native american guy on the helmet looks like a bada$$ so why not? Better than that stupid looking cleveland face, looks like it's out of looney toons.

[Delhommey]

I guess now would be a bad time to bring up the fact that in the south, saying you had "Indian" in the family was a well know way of covering for the fact great great grandpappy caught a case of jungle fever.

And yes my dad's family claims they had some Cherokee blood.

[AKPantherFan]

I guess now would be a bad time to bring up the fact that in the south, saying you had "Indian" in the family was a well know way of covering for the fact great great grandpappy caught a case of jungle fever.

And yes my dad's family claims they had some Cherokee blood.

Well considering my great grandma married a cherokee I guess its true.

I have always been proud of that though, I dont see the problem.

I think my great grandpa was bad ass, funny he chewed "red man" tobacco too.

big ass wads too lol lol

[AKPantherFan]

Yeah, the next NFL team should be the L.A. Darkies or the San Antonio Wetbacks. Nobody means any harm and it's just a name.

And omfg if anyone complains.. lolz. Bunch of f'ing whiners just looking to be offended.

THAT IS NOT TRUE--

When the REDSKINS were named it was in reverence and honor of the sioux tribe, who the coaches wife was apart of. That title was not compared to an insult. The only thing that has changed is some people now days are too damn sensitive.

this was in 1937, and it was socially acceptable and was a name of honor.

Its like saying I dont want to be called white anymore and the name offends me..

Get your panties out of your ass.

[MadHatter]

I am offended by the Raiders name....I once wanted to be a pirate and now they use an offensive name like this.

Oh wait....it is not the Raiders name that is offensive...only their inept play.

[MadHatter]

Why are the names Cowboys, Patriots, Buccaneers, Texans, etc... not considered offensive? They are all named after particular groups of people.

I will tell you why....because these groups are associated with "whites". Any name associated with any other race gets called into question...but not caucasian.

[Epistaxis]

Ok.

Whatever.

I guess I'd just say again if the tribes agree to the use of their likeness as a mascot and consider it an honor and maybe get a li' sumthin for the issue....good for all.

But are you HONESTLY trying to tell me that "Redskin" is an honorable term?

If you have ever been to a Reservation, and I have many times, would you go to the local bar and use the term Redskin? Throw it around a little bit? See what the fellas playing pool think about it being used in casual conversation?

I doubt it.

[Jangler]

Why are the names Cowboys, Patriots, Buccaneers, Texans, etc... not considered offensive? They are all named after particular groups of people.

I will tell you why....because these groups are associated with "whites". Any name associated with any other race gets called into question...but not caucasian.

I don't eat crackers of any kind. Until the call it "flat hard bread" I will boycott it.

[Epistaxis]

Hm.

I'm pretty sure a Cowboy is ok with being called a Cowboy. A Patriot....not even sure if we can pin down who a Patriot is anymore. A Buccaneer? Eh. Other than Skew I'm not sure we have too many Pirates around. I'm sure a Texan is cool with being called a Texan.

As I stated above, you gonna call a native american a Redskin?

He/she might be ok with throwing that term around with others in the community, but is he/she ok with it in general usage?

Maybe.

And maybe most Native Americans are ok with the team having the name. But if 10% of them think it is offensive, is that enough?

What is the critical mass for change and forward thinking?