Bleacher Report: Panthers are "model of inconsistency"

[monstercat]

Tell me which one of these 8 losses that we had after Jake went down that we would have won.

Sep 30 - Tampa Bay - L (20-7)-Carr started...7 points

Oct 28 - Indianapolis - L (31-7) Vinny started and scored the only points of the game

Nov 4 - at Tennessee - L (20-7) Carr started...7 points, while the defense and ST's created about 4 turnovers

Nov 11 - Atlanta - L (20-13) TVinny started, and we at least scored 13 and we only lost because of a late TD by the Falcons.

Nov 18 - at Green Bay - L (17-31) Vinny started and scored 17 pointsNov 25 - New Orleans - L (31-6) Carr started...6 points.

Dec 9 - at Jacksonville - L (37-6) Vinny's worst game...he was physically shot at that point.

Dec 22 - Dallas - L (20-13) again, a pretty close game because Moore started...not bad at all for an undrafted rookie who didn't even participate in Panthers TC.

The only one I can say is the Atlanta game. Those other 7 games we were smacked around. As long as the offense revolved around Deshaun Foster we were no better than average no matter who was at QB.

There. If you still can't figure out how Carr killed us, then there is absolutely no hope for you. Not only could he not produce points, but he went 3 and out so many times that the defense was worn out and gave up more points than they normally would have, and in all honesty, they probably just gave up in some of those games.

[Gman was right]

I NEVER SAID YOU WERE WRONG! OMFG! LMFAO!

I said you fail to see the injuries we had affected our success and going 7-9 with those injuries was hell of an accomplishment that people don't want to give to our team! lol

Are you that much of a brick wall?

You're saying the same fuging thing but are not giving enough credit to the injury status. You want to make the "average" team the major issue by totally discrediting the injuries we had... You can't just shuffle players around like Madden. Having Draft make 111 tackles (or however many) doesn't mean our defense doesn't face an uphill battle by having Morgan out. Smitty out those 2 games did affect us because we weren't as good as we were last year. Having Foster out still affects us! Moving Gross over to a position he has to totally adapt to and bringing in a FA who doesn't know our system IS fugING HARD TO DO! lol FFS, what is so hard to see about this?

You're taking one little statement and blowing up to mean something else and thats where you aren't catching on. When I say Exhibit A is this, you take it to mean I'm saying Exhibit B is that... WTF? lol

And Harrison can say wahtever he wants, but he's an idiot for what he said! lol Noone goes to the President who doesn't win the SB... So to say "why doesn't he invite us when we don't invite us to the SB" is moronic. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry for your reading comprehension.

wow, I'm done man. Have fun in your weird and strange world. No hard feelings on my end, it's done.

The team was used to Morgan being out of the lineup. Draft did a very good job in his absence and we still finished 7th in total defense. So losing Morgan was not why we went 8-8. AGAIN, every team has injuries. As someone pointed out the good teams over come them. The point of this article was to point out how inconsistent this team is and all people are doing is saying it was because of injuries which is a big load of crap!

[Jangler]

bleys, monstercat

[Gman was right]

There. If you still can't figure out how Carr killed us, then there is absolutely no hope for you. Not only could he not produce points, but he went 3 and out so many times that the defense was worn out and gave up more points than they normally would have, and in all honesty, they probably just gave up in some of those games.

Even if we had Jake in the lineup we wouldnt have won those games because our offense was revolved around Deshaun Foster and we had Keary Colbert as our #2 receiver. I'll give you we would have scored more than 6 pts if we had Jake but there is no way you can tell me we would have won those games other than maybe Atlanta. QB play wasnt the issue vs Dallas BUT the cowboys lost TO in the first quarter when he was destroying us. If we are going to use injuries as an excuse I can safely say Dallas would have scored a hell of alot more than 20 pts if he had played the whole game. Oh yeah, and the final game against Tampa was also a gimmie game since the bucs rested their starters. No matter what we were an 8-8 team at best in 07.

[Skew]

y'all are gonna ***, aren't ya?

[mantal]

y'all are gonna ***, aren't ya?

I certainly hope somebody is...

[bleys]

y'all are gonna ***, aren't ya?

totally... wana watch big guy?

[AKPantherFan]

bottom line guys;

Injuries happen.

We have to make sure we have the talent to fill in when needed. THATS what good teams/coaches/GM's do.

You have to ensure the depth is there.

07- is a toss out- not many teams can lose their starting QB in a year of a new offensive system and have a winning record. (fact is i dont know of any team thats done that, and i am a football geek)

Bottom line is FOX has to find a way to BECOME consistent or he will have to find a new job.

JR is no idiot, he knows that he can get a Shanahan, Cowher or Holmgren to replace fox if his head is not removed from his ass.

Fox IS A GREAT COACH- but he needs to loosen up, adapt to the game, and learn to scheme during 1/2 time.

We have HAD A CRAPLOAD of talent on this team for way to long to be this inconsistent.

Name a team that has the top 3 RB Duo, one of the best WR's, one of the best LB'r corps, A DE who is supposed to be feared by every DC, one of the best OL's, and a Kicker who rarely misses....

I doubt you can......

We have the pieces and more talent then over 1/2 the league.

Its time for him to deliver or JR will get someone who can....

IMO

[bleys]

bottom line guys;

Injuries happen.

We have to make sure we have the talent to fill in when needed. THATS what good teams/coaches/GM's do.

You have to ensure the depth is there.

07- is a toss out- not many teams can lose their starting QB in a year of a new offensive system and have a winning record. (fact is i dont know of any team thats done that, and i am a football geek)

Bottom line is FOX has to find a way to BECOME consistent or he will have to find a new job.

JR is no idiot, he knows that he can get a Shanahan, Cowher or Holmgren to replace fox if his head is not removed from his ass.

Fox IS A GREAT COACH- but he needs to loosen up, adapt to the game, and learn to scheme during 1/2 time.

We have HAD A CRAPLOAD of talent on this team for way to long to be this inconsistent.

Name a team that has the top 3 RB Duo, one of the best WR's, one of the best LB'r corps, A DE who is supposed to be feared by every DC, one of the best OL's, and a Kicker who rarely misses....

I doubt you can......

We have the pieces and more talent then over 1/2 the league.

Its time for him to deliver or JR will get someone who can....

IMO

That statement you made was only relevant up until last year. We haven't had that "talent" for the last 8 years... Another reason why this year looks to be more promising when the topic "consistency" is brought up.

JR is no idiot, he knows that he can get a Shanahan, Cowher or Holmgren to replace fox if his head is not removed from his ass.

And you're right, he is no idiot, which is why he hasn't brought them in. lol

[DaveThePanther2008]

"Madden Intellect"..

This sums it up. Because you can swap a play out in Madden and keep winning so if you can do it in Madden you have to do in in R/L. After all the NFL was modeled after Madden didn't ya know.

[X-Clown]

So 6 out of 18 are not starters and 2 of those are reliable backups if not projected starters at some point in their career in Patten and Stecker.

I was just giving examples of the players that Saints fans made excuses for, that was not a comprehensive list of starters vs. non-starters. My point is that it would be similar for our fans to make excuses for losing when guys who aren't that good get hurt.

[carolinanimal]

either way you look at it, injuries or whatever, we have been inconsistent.

What is funny is that some people forget the past when it is something they dont want to hear, but remember it for something they do want to hear.

"Just because we have never had back to back winning seasons in our history doesnt mean we are inconsistent. "

"OMGZ!!!!! we have a awesome run game based on last year!!!"

on a side note, i think the main reason we have been as inconsistent is a lack of identity on the team. if you look at the top teams that are considered contenders each year there is something that they do that they are known for and do well, Steelers: defense, Colts: offense , Ravens: defense. i think we have had that year to year. There isnt a unit on the team that we can say is consistently good from year to year. i think now fox is trying to implement that. a identity. a big mauling offense, and hopefully a aggressive swarming defense.

[panthers55]

We have been inconsistent for a number of reasons. We have been around less than 15 years and have had 3 different regimes. We have had different philosophies and made lots of mistakes. We have changed divisions, had a run of injuries, etc. Take your pick.

When have we had the most success? When we stick with a philosophy and coach and build for the long haul. We have only been doing that since 2003 really and until 2006 had a crappy scouting staff. In the last 4 seasons we have had one losing season and that was as good as you can get and still have a losing record. When we break that streak this year the only big one will be win a Superbowl.

Things are looking up IMO. I expect more consistency as long as we keep things intact instead of going off and changing things again prematurely.

[monstercat]

either way you look at it, injuries or whatever, we have been inconsistent.

What is funny is that some people forget the past when it is something they dont want to hear, but remember it for something they do want to hear.

"Just because we have never had back to back winning seasons in our history doesnt mean we are inconsistent. "

"OMGZ!!!!! we have a awesome run game based on last year!!!"

on a side note, i think the main reason we have been as inconsistent is a lack of identity on the team. if you look at the top teams that are considered contenders each year there is something that they do that they are known for and do well, Steelers: defense, Colts: offense , Ravens: defense. i think we have had that year to year. There isnt a unit on the team that we can say is consistently good from year to year. i think now fox is trying to implement that. a identity. a big mauling offense, and hopefully a aggressive swarming defense.

Even when you factor in all the bad things though, the Panthers have been as consistent as anybody else in the NFC South. And as some have pointed out, at least Fox has never been worse than 7-9, which is something that no other NFC South team can claim.

Basically, that guy could have written the same article about the Saints, Falcons and Bucs.