A GM thread

[panther4life]

All you Hurney apologists always bring up how good he is in the 1st round.

Well no poo.

He has drafted 3 Linebackers and 2 runningbacks out of the 11 selections that he's had in 12 years.

Guess what the best picks are if you don't want to whiff on them?

LB's and RB's. They rarely wash out, and those are the positions that are normally stat poppers. They get loads of tackles and touchdowns, so it looks/seems like it's a great pick.

But there is a downside. LB in a 43, and RB's in today's NFL are not as valuable as the days of yesteryear. They don't equate to winning anymore.

I'm not even going to bring up EB in this one.

His picks in later rounds have proven to be as good as anyone else's. He took a MLB in Beason who nobody ever dare bitch about until his injury. Davis was brought in to stop Vick and help us in our division and if not for injuries would be lauded as one of Hurney's best picks of all time.

He drafted Williams and Stewart to suit Fox's style of play.

[carolinarolls]

witherspoon, draft, muhammad, Peppers, jake

nuff said

ETA: It's funny as hell to start seeing GM hate threads pop up after the season starts. Just sayin' and all but once the season kicks off the GM's work is about 90% over. If he has not got it together by then then he probably won't. So since very few people crucified the guy like this during camp, the draft, pre season, etc. and now I cannot throw a rock in any direction around here without hitting some poster who wants to hang Marty Hurney from his nuts in week 5, I felt the need to formally present this information as exhibit "Q" in the Football Intelligence vs. Carolina Huddle posters case.

And for the record the prosecution "rested" loooong ago.

[Guest Tom Cat]

Hurney can't draft players and catch the ball and make tackles too damnit!

[panther4life]

And you can't miss on running backs huh? Was reggie bush worth # 2 overall? Lawrence Maroney # 21, to the Pats? Addai was the other running back drafted in the same class as Willimms in the first in the first round of 06.

Then in 08 Felix Jones and Rashard Mendenhall were the 2 to go directly after Stewart in the first round of 08.

[panther4life]

How many of you have taken some time to do some legit research on other GM's and how many misses they have had on 1st round picks, good players they let walk, players they overpaid for, etc?

I have said it before and will say it again. This team should have been blown up from top to bottom after the 09 season including Hurney. JR failed to do this. Instead he said fug everybody but Hurney and I am blowing this poo up and starting over in 11 with Hurney leading the way.

We were a disaster in 2010 and now have talent to get us places 2 years later. Let me remind you guy's JR also decided he would like to save some money on head coaches after Fox left. This could be a reason why candidates like Harbaugh and Cowher were never considered. Fug we were inteverviewing straight bargain bin's and Hurney took the best of what he was allowed to pay for.

The man is doing a fine job all things considered. When you look at the record and ignore everything else then fug Hurney, fug steve smith, fug Cam, fug everyone. The record is an indictment on every single person in the organization from john Kasay to Jerry Richardson. As convient as it is the record simply can not reasonably be pinned on Hurney alone.

[Cyberjag]

How many of you have taken some time to do some legit research on other GM's and how many misses they have had on 1st round picks, good players they let walk, players they overpaid for, etc?

I have... PM me if you want the data.

The bottom line is that Hurney doesn't suck. He's got some problems letting go of players, and he no longer plays free agency like he used to (which, again, may be on orders from above). He's very good at cap management--all these people whining about Jake's contract completely miss the bigger picture on that. He architected a hell of a turn-around for the franchise with John Fox and his early signings. And now he's got a legit franchise QB, and he will be judged going forward by how well the coaches he hired perform.

He's not the best in the league, but he's better than most, and there's no guarantee that a replacement would be an improvement--those aren't more often than not.

[thefuzz]

And you can't miss on running backs huh? Was reggie bush worth # 2 overall? Lawrence Maroney # 21, to the Pats? Addai was the other running back drafted in the same class as Willimms in the first in the first round of 06.

Then in 08 Felix Jones and Rashard Mendenhall were the 2 to go directly after Stewart in the first round of 08.

RB is one of the "easiest" picks to make, RARELY do you get a straight up bust, and the uneducated fans love the pick as they are stat people.

The picks that win you games are not as sexy as RB's and LB's.

[panther4life]

I have... PM me if you want the data.

The bottom line is that Hurney doesn't suck. He's got some problems letting go of players, and he no longer plays free agency like he used to (which, again, may be on orders from above). He's very good at cap management--all these people whining about Jake's contract completely miss the bigger picture on that. He architected a hell of a turn-around for the franchise with John Fox and his early signings. And now he's got a legit franchise QB, and he will be judged going forward by how well the coaches he hired perform.

He's not the best in the league, but he's better than most, and there's no guarantee that a replacement would be an improvement--those aren't more often than not.

you and I are on the same page my friend. I don't come on here to get in pissing matches with other panther fans. I try to enlighten them but for some reason people will never swallow their internet pride and realize the error in their thought process. I have never claimed Hurney is the best in biz and its reallty impossible to pinpoint exactly who is because their is so many variables and such that come into play. I just want everyone to realize he does not suck and is actually above average when it comes to doing his job.

[panther4life]

RB is one of the "easiest" picks to make, RARELY do you get a straight up bust, and the uneducated fans love the pick as they are stat people.

The picks that win you games are not as sexy as RB's and LB's.

So what if its an easy pick to make. If its the right pick then you make it.

[panther4life]

RB is one of the "easiest" picks to make, RARELY do you get a straight up bust, and the uneducated fans love the pick as they are stat people.

The picks that win you games are not as sexy as RB's and LB's.

Very Ironic you mention uneducated. I have done more research on the topic at hand than 95% if not more than members who chime in on the subject. I am not pretending I would make an excellent GM but I do feel I can fairly judge them based of my research. You sitting here acting as if you have a better clue by dogging the picks of Williams, Stewart, Beason and Davis puts off the appearance you think you would do better which is asinine.

[panther4life]

If there was such a way for us to take to trial Hurney's job performance and have it heard in front of a unbiased Jury equipped to correctly judge a GM with me acting as his defense attorney vs you and your best team of prosecutor's I am sure he would come out smelling like roses.

[thefuzz]

So what if its an easy pick to make. If its the right pick then you make it.

They are the wrong fuging picks.

What do you not understand?

[panther4life]

They are the wrong fuging picks.

What do you not understand?

who was the right pick then? and did you honestly throw a fit at the time and say fug you Hurney I hate you for drafting Stewart, Willians, Beason and Davis?

[thefuzz]

Very Ironic you mention uneducated. I have done more research on the topic at hand than 95% if not more than members who chime in on the subject. I am not pretending I would make an excellent GM but I do feel I can fairly judge them based of my research. You sitting here acting as if you have a better clue by dogging the picks of Williams, Stewart, Beason and Davis puts off the appearance you think you would do better which is asinine.

I was not referring to you in any way when talking about uneducated nor was I talking about the level of schooling of the fans that think that Hurney is doing a good job.

IMO many fans are homers more than they should be, and that comes from only following 1 team day in and day out.

I can promise you one thing. I would not have drafted 2 LB's and 2 RB's within a 5 year period when anyone with half a brain could tell that the rules were being adjusted to a more pass orientated league.

Listen I like all those player, they are good teammates, and they are good at what they do, however those 4 players, at those 2 positions do not equate to wins.