Can we just put this to bed now?

[teeray]

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn

According to Elias, Matt Ryan game-winning drive vs. Panthers first in 20 years starting inside own 5, less than minute left. No timeouts

Some of you guys have said, "You play to win the game but we played not to lose!!"

Well do you consider taking the option that hasn't happened in 20 years (punting) or the one that happens usually once a game (gaining 1 yard) as playing to win the game??

I do think however, that if the refs didn't move the ball back a full yard after the review that we would have gone for it.

And lastly, I am firmly convinced after Sunday that God hates the Panthers.

[Peppers90 NC]

I pointed out that same stat earlier(which I doubt RR even knew existed), and I have to agree with the good Lord's displeasure in our very own Panthers... or maybe it is directed at us, the fans.

[SZ James (banned)]

I don't care about useless statistics from twenty years ago that have no bearing on the outcome of the game in question.

Our offense is our best defense and going for it on 4th down was the only way to defend them as evidenced by the outcome.

Sorry Op, most of us knew it was game over as soon as the decision to punt was made.

[teeray]

Sorry Op, most of us knew it was game over as soon as the decision to punt was made.

To be fair, must of us are also idiots.

Why do i get the feeling that if we had gone for it not made it some of the exact same posters would be complaining that we didn't punt?

[CardiacCats]

i'll forever believe punting was the right option

[csx]

Refs spotted it exactly where he fumbled which ended up being exactly where it was recovered.

[SZ James (banned)]

The be fair, must of us are also idiots.

The be fair, must of the people defending this decision would be defending him had we lost going for it on 4th down. Simply changing their midset to align with RR whatever it happens to be.

[teeray]

The be fair, must of the people defending this decision would be defending him had we lost going for it on 4th down. Simply changing their midset to align with RR whatever it happens to be.

Truth be told that is probably because you can make a legitimate argument either way. I was indifferent at the time of the decision.

But when they moved the ball back a full yard after the review I was leaning toward wanting to punt.

If the ball stays where they originally marked it I would have said go for it.

Some of you people act like getting 1 yard in the NFL is a given. Especially when the entire defense is keyed in on it.

[PanthersAlv]

Meh...

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/39772/analytics-rivera-made-wrong-choice

Yas says...

ATLANTA -- ESPN Stats & Information ran the analytics on Carolina coach Ron Rivera’s decision to punt on a fourth-and-1 late in Sunday’s game with the Falcons.

Using their win probability tool, the ESPN Stats & Information people say Rivera made the wrong choice and should have gone for the first down.

The win probability tool uses 10 years of NFL play-by-play data to estimate how likely it is that either team will win at any point in the game, based on historical results in similar game situations.

Prior to taking a delay-of-game penalty, the Panthers had a 90.9 percent chance to win.

More info in the article.

but, he pretty much states that the it was the wrong decision... then, at the end says "But I think punting was the right call".

this proves that no one will be happy. Even with stats to back it up.

I will forever feel that was the wrong call.

[thatlookseasy]

Alright first of all, if you are really going to do a cost/ benefit analysis of the decision then you cant assume that you are going to down the ball on the 1- that was literally the best possible outcome of a punt. You have to consider where the average starting position would be after a punt (probably around the 10 or so).

The whole "1st time its happened in 20 years" says more about the historical incompetence of the secondary than it does about the punt/ dont punt decision

[Jase]

you might take this to mean

"The odds were in our favor"

but I take it as

"We have the worst 4th quarter defense the NFL has seen in 20 years"

:(

[Mother Grabber]

i'll forever believe punting was the right option

That's because it was. Anyone who doesn't get that, or 'knew' that we lost when we punted just doesn't understand.

[teeray]

Meh...

http://espn.go.com/b...de-wrong-choice

Yas says...

More info in the article.

but, he pretty much states that the it was the wrong decision... then, at the end says "But I think punting was the right call".

this proves that no one will be happy. Even with stats to back it up.

I will forever feel that was the wrong call.

There is a reason statisticians write for ESPN and don't coach football. Statisticians will tell you that it is NEVER appropriate to punt on 4th and 3 or less because of expected points added.

As to that analysis in particular. If they say the win probability dipped to 54% by punting to the 1 yard line with less than a minute to play and the Falcons having no timeouts they need to reassess their algorithm.

Alright first of all, if you are really going to do a cost/ benefit analysis of the decision then you cant assume that you are going to down the ball on the 1- that was literally the best possible outcome of a punt. You have to consider where the average starting position would be after a punt (probably around the 10 or so).

The whole "1st time its happened in 20 years" says more about the historical incompetence of the secondary than it does about the punt/ dont punt decision

Still driving for a winning drive from the 10 yard line with less than a minute to go and no timeouts is much more difficult than gaining one yard in the NFL. Goal line stands happen every week.

[SZ James (banned)]

How is it the right decision when we lost the game because of it?