Simple question.

[Brooklyn Bully]

We'd be at the bottom with some others. Miami, Tennessee, Cleveland, and St. Louis all still have young QBs. We'd have DA. Hopefully Jimmy wouldn't get a shot.

[Kurb]

You seem pretty reasonable but don't you think that a lot of this BS Cam brings upon himself?

And the Panthers would not be the worst team in the NFL with out Cam. They'd be a lock for a top 7 pick but I think that they could still win a handful of games. Hell, that team with Clausen won two.

Cam has a almost unparalleled desire to win in anything he does.

At 23 I think its hard for him to understand when those around him, from the top of his team to the bottom might not have the same mindset.

Keep in mind I am a Panthers guy more than a "player" guy.

That said, he has a poo ton of responsibility on him as a young QB.

Not only does he have to read coverages, on what feels like very run he has to play an option read as well.

All this behind an O-line that is underperforming. 100 million of running backs that aren't producing, an aging 89 and a average group of WR's. That doesn't even mention the worst defense in football statistically.

That 2010 team with Jimmy was the worst in football, thus we got the #1 pick.

Who would score points if Cam wasn't behind center ?

Kid has an organization on his shoulders.

[Kurb]

I said he was a part of the equation not the only reason. He was a huge part of the giants game loss, I understand beign a fan of a player but saying he had nothing do with that loss is not logical by any means.

No doubt.

That was an epic fail by everyone from the waterboys to the owner.

[CRA]

I said he was a part of the equation not the only reason. He was a huge part of the giants game loss, I understand beign a fan of a player but saying he had nothing do with that loss is not logical by any means.

What was a huge was a defense allowing them to score every time they touched the ball.

Offensively, I think it is more silly play calling....his late game picks are just trying to make a play when punting is thrown out the window trying to make a play. Drives stall bc there is too much emphasis on the deep ball.

Atl will be more about our D and our OC than Cam IMO. Offensively....I think Carolina should be better than Atl when both are rolling and things are working

[4Corners]

Cam has a almost unparalleled desire to win in anything he does.

At 23 I think its hard for him to understand when those around him, from the top of his team to the bottom might not have the same mindset.

Keep in mind I am a Panthers guy more than a "player" guy.

That said, he has a poo ton of responsibility on him as a young QB.

Not only does he have to read coverages, on what feels like very run he has to play an option read as well.

All this behind an O-line that is underperforming. 100 million of running backs that aren't producing, an aging 89 and a average group of WR's. That doesn't even mention the worst defense in football statistically.

That 2010 team with Jimmy was the worst in football, thus we got the #1 pick.

Who would score points if Cam wasn't behind center ?

Kid has an organization on his shoulders.

Cam is the franchise there is no doubt about that.

Unfortunately, the Panther fan base and the snobby Charlotte media will be more than happy to kick someone when they are down.

[Brooklyn Bully]

The only other young QB with as much pressure on him is probably Luck. #1 pick who is supposed to be the next Peyton taking charge of a team used to being elite. Tough shoes to fill.

[Darth Biscuit]

What was a huge was a defense allowing them to score every time they touched the ball.

Offensively, I think it is more silly play calling....his late game picks are just trying to make a play when punting is thrown out the window trying to make a play. Drives stall bc there is too much emphasis on the deep ball.

Atl will be more about our D and our OC than Cam IMO. Offensively....I think Carolina should be better than Atl when both are rolling and things are working

Agree, when the offense is rolling... the Defense is sitting resting...

When the offense plays like they have been... they go three-and-out and the defense rests for 3 minutes and is right back on the field... they feed off of each other negatively and positively.

I hate the Patriots, but look at their 2011 team... crap D, great O. They won games because the offense kept the defense off the field a lot.

[BadMoonRising]

What was a huge was a defense allowing them to score every time they touched the ball.

Offensively, I think it is more silly play calling....his late game picks are just trying to make a play when punting is thrown out the window trying to make a play. Drives stall bc there is too much emphasis on the deep ball.

Atl will be more about our D and our OC than Cam IMO. Offensively....I think Carolina should be better than Atl when both are rolling and things are working

Each his own, I thought he was a much of the problem as anyone on the team at least for that game

at least from my perspective as a viewer. I am not in the huddles nor do I know why coaches call certain plays and not others.

[Kurb]

Cam is the franchise there is no doubt about that.

Unfortunately, the Panther fan base and the snobby Charlotte media will be more than happy to kick someone when they are down.

Charlotte media is a joke to be honest.

ESPN and their ILK however love one thing above all others.

Tearing down a star they have tried to raise above all others.

Last season Cam was the Michael Jordan of the NFL, now he is Vince Young and Jimmy Clausen all over again. No talent and will never be good, selfish and me first. None of which has any value or backing.

Reality ?

The TEAM isn't talented enoug and/or playing well enough to win games without HOF level coaching. Things can improve and we are all down b/c of the Giants asswhipping. Things can and will get better.

[hepcat]

The point I was getting at is, how could the Panthers possibly field a team WORSE than the one that finished 2-14 in 2010? The answer is, without Cam Newton. There's a really good chance the team finishes with a worse record than 2011, even with Cam.

[Rubi]

The talent evaluation process of this organization needs to improve or we will always be a sub .500 team

[panther4life]

Have the Panthers really improved at any other position besides QB, since 2010? Only area I can think of is DT, and maybe TE but since Olsen struggles with blocking I think it's a wash.

go look at this and tell me we have not improved. http://www.pro-footb...2010_roster.htm

[4Corners]

Charlotte media is a joke to be honest.

ESPN and their ILK however love one thing above all others.

Tearing down a star they have tried to raise above all others.

Last season Cam was the Michael Jordan of the NFL, now he is Vince Young and Jimmy Clausen all over again. No talent and will never be good, selfish and me first. None of which has any value or backing.

Reality ?

The TEAM isn't talented enoug and/or playing well enough to win games without HOF level coaching. Things can improve and we are all down b/c of the Giants asswhipping. Things can and will get better.

I work for a major media outlet in Charlotte and it's changed me. It's all a f*cking scam to be honest.

I see people all the time who believe everything that the news/media shoves down their throats and people fail to realize that a news station/newspaper is a business entity here to make money.

I despise Stephen A. Smith, but I gotta give him credit, he's a smart man. He's just like Rush, Glenn Beck, Howard Stern.

When he called that Cam cartoon racist yesterday on FirstTake, does anyone really think that he truly believed it was racist? I sure as hell don't. He's creating controversy, he knows his audience, and he's increasing his "brand" as well as generating ratings for his horrible, horrible TV show.

EDIT: While we are ranting about ESPN/Sports Media - when I saw that ESPN nonchalantly released the names of the officials from the MNF disaster, they lost a lot of my respect that will never be reclaimed. That is one of the most unprofessional and unethical things I've ever seen the world wide leader do.

[usmcpanthers]

This whole situation is like the waterboy movie. Everyone loved Cam becuase he gave us a chance then one bad game and its OH NO we suck again.....really....its one game. Lets see how he bounces back. Its amazing how we go from HOF and playoffs to worst team in the leaugue in one week.

Sunday cant get hear fast enough.