Simple question.

[hepcat]

Without Cam Newton, are the 2012 Panthers the worst team in the NFL?

[Guest fug]

Derek Anderson would keep us from being that bad..

[BadMoonRising]

Without Cam Newton, are the 2012 Panthers the worst team in the NFL?

Saints, Oakland, Colts, Rams, KC

Compete for that title so far thru 3 games.

[hepcat]

Saints, Oakland, Colts, Rams, KC

Compete for that title so far thru 3 games.

Without Cam, I think all of those teams would easily beat the Panthers.

[BadMoonRising]

Without Cam, I think all of those teams would easily beat the Panthers.

You seen some play from Cam this year I haven't so, I will agree to disagree.

I personnaly think his sophmore slump will plague the Panther this entire season.

I also expect the Panthers will be a much better team overall next year if JR hasn't destoyed your cap space to get some more help on defense.

[panther4life]

Simple answer..No

[CRA]

Derek Anderson would keep us from being that bad..

DA is very bad. Look at what he has done post 2007.

We would be worse than the 2010 Panthers overall. Defense is worse, O a little better with DA than Jimmy...but ST is now worse

[Kurb]

Without Cam Newton, are the 2012 Panthers the worst team in the NFL?

Without a doubt.

I don't think any QB in the NFL has the weight on his shoulders that he does.

Its fuging absurd.

[hepcat]

Have the Panthers really improved at any other position besides QB, since 2010? Only area I can think of is DT, and maybe TE but since Olsen struggles with blocking I think it's a wash.

[CRA]

You seen some play from Cam this year I haven't so, I will agree to disagree.

I personnaly think his sophmore slump will plague the Panther this entire season.

I also expect the Panthers will be a much better team overall next year if JR hasn't destoyed your cap space to get some more help on defense.

Not a Cam slump.

Bad defense and a ST unit turning it over put him in a very rough spot....even worse when the OC isn't running.

Pinning it on Cam is lazy evaluation of why we lost 2 games

[Darth Biscuit]

I think we may not be... we have tremendous running backs, that for some reason (obvioiusly JStew has been hurt some) we're not utilizing well... if we didn't have Cam, we'd be forced to use the running game more effectively than we have. So there's a chance that we wouldn't be THE worst.

I have to say though, and I was thinking about this last night, watching Cleveland play... yes, they're 0-4, but they could easily play with, probably beat us right now given the way their D is playing.

If our O doesn't come around, and soon, we're in for a rough, rough season.

[4Corners]

Without a doubt.

I don't think any QB in the NFL has the weight on his shoulders that he does.

Its fuging absurd.

You seem pretty reasonable but don't you think that a lot of this BS Cam brings upon himself?

And the Panthers would not be the worst team in the NFL with out Cam. They'd be a lock for a top 7 pick but I think that they could still win a handful of games. Hell, that team with Clausen won two.

Obviously, I've backed off significantly with my 10 win prediction (as most of us have), but right now I think the Panthers will end up winning 6-7 games in a season similar to last year. Get blown out in a few. Lose a few they should have won. Score 30 points a couple times and lose. I also think that the team could do that with Anderson starting.

[BadMoonRising]

Not a Cam slump.

Bad defense and a ST unit turning it over put him in a very rough spot....even worse when the OC isn't running.

Pinning it on Cam is lazy evaluation of why we lost 2 games

I said he was a part of the equation not the only reason. He was a huge part of the giants game loss, I understand beign a fan of a player but saying he had nothing do with that loss is not logical by any means.

[Peppers90 NC]

Well, I think a more conventional offensive approach would cure some of our ails. I hate blaming the defense when our offense can't do anything like games 1 and 3, which to me, were on the offense more than the defense. Our offense is supposed to be great, to make up for our mediocre defense. Offense is obviously not carrying their weight.

To answer the main question, with DA, I can say we aren't the worst, with JC, definitely.