Go on record with your Hurney feelings here

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

My in laws are all Giants fans. They all hated a guy named Ernie Accorsi. Or I should say, they did hate him. Not anymore, you know why?

Because he's an old-school GM who knew. He's a Hall of Fame GM. Maybe just a bit better than Hurney but cut from the same mold. I like Hurney. He knows.

My inlaws didn't know poo. We don't know poo.

[DaCityKats]

My in laws are all Giants fans. They all hated a guy named Ernie Accorsi. Or I should say, they did hate him. Not anymore, you know why?

Because he's an old-school GM who knew. He's a Hall of Fame GM. Maybe just a bit better than Hurney but cut from the same mold. I like Hurney. He knows.

My inlaws didn't know poo. We don't know poo.

there new school GM Jerry Reese have two rings in 5 years.

[Rubi]

The 2009-2010 drafts and after Cam the 2011 draft are the reasons why we have so many holes on the roster today. Hurney's managing of personnel hasn't produced a consistent winning program / product. Yes he can handle salary cap pretty well....but his talent evaluation in the later rounds is pathetic...that's when teams are solidified....you know he stays away from FAs and wants to build through the draft....but damn man you better draft damn near perfect if that's how you want to roll...acquiring FAs can also plug holes too ya know Hurney...

[Mr. Scot]

Hurney is a good GM, but not a great one. While I'm generally positive about a lot of the moves he makes, his record shows him to be someone who'll keep us an average to above-average team that might threaten a playoff spot once in a while, but won't have sustained success.

Like I said in the other thread, I do believe he's not alone in blame for recent bad drafts. I think some blame has to fall on the scouting department and Don Gregory. How much is debatable. but I have a hard time seeing how anyone could hold them completely blameless.

Bottom Line: Hurney's not what I would refer to as a "football guy" which is what I feel we truly need.

Still, if Gantt is right, he's here for as long as he wants to be.

[top dawg]

Hurney needs to stop being a wussy (minus the W add the P) and sign some FAs! We could have got a better player at a more important position with the money we used on Tolbert and Stewie. You cant build through the draft when you are awful at drafting in later rounds. Grow a pair Hurney

Hell, the game should have been an indication that we absolutely NEED Stewie, and the virtual pittance---or at least the great discount---that Tolbert was given could not be overlooked.

This past Sunday we needed more Tolbert in my estimation.

[ItsPantone278]

I actually like our team. Just need to get in rhythm, and build up the confidence level. A few big gains and Silatolu is on. A few big stops and Luke is on. T. Davis making any impact he can, and doing a hell of a job of it. We need someone to step up and be a big time play maker on offense and we all know Cam can do that. Its just a matter of time for us. We will pop at some point this season. I truly believe that.

9-7. Not enough for the playoffs but taking steps forward.

[Doc Holiday]

yeah somebody young.Ozzie Newsome son comes to mind, and there plenty of young aspiring gm's ready to put together a team.

Thank god your not running the team then

[DC Amp]

He is stubborn, loyal to a fault, one track mind but what you gonna do? he's ours.

[DaCityKats]

Thank god your not running the team then

lmao that excuse has been played out for years. shame on me for wanting to have a winnng a season and go to the playoffs. lets keep a guy who over values 2 positions that you can throw a jag in and still be effective.

[Doc Holiday]

lmao that excuse has been played out for years. shame on me for wanting to have a winnng a season and go to the playoffs. lets keep a guy who over values 2 positions that you can throw a jag in and still be effective.

If you've been hearing this a lot from people then maybe you should reconsider your view.

I am not disagreeing with there may be needing a change at GM, just saying that if we are going to change from the one we got right now we need someone proven and experienced.

You on the other hand are saying the exact opposite, in getting some one young and unproven.

The last person you want running a football team is the least expirenced guy in the room. Your idea is straight up idiotic. Tell me of a single advantage of your suggestion over mine. You won't be able to because there isn't one.

[PantherBlue]

Not a big fan of Marty Hurney. We would have been better off if Bill Polian would have stuck around. I say it's time for Hurney to go..

[DaCityKats]

If you've been hearing this a lot from people then maybe you should reconsider your view.

I am not disagreeing with there may be needing a change at GM, just saying that if we are going to change from the one we got right now we need someone proven and experienced.

You on the other hand are saying the exact opposite, in getting some one young and unproven.

The last person you want running a football team is the least expirenced guy in the room. Your idea is straight up idiotic. Tell me of a single advantage of your suggestion over mine. You won't be able to because there isn't one.

new blood = new ideas. just cause a guy is unproven doesnt mean he cannot do the job, if that was the case Hurney wouldnt be the GM now. suggesting hiring someone young who has worked himself up the ladder like the falcons GM, giants, or texans is the best way to go. most teams dont hire retread GMs unless somebody else is running the show and that GM is a puppet.

[frash.exe]

If you've been hearing this a lot from people then maybe you should reconsider your view.

I am not disagreeing with there may be needing a change at GM, just saying that if we are going to change from the one we got right now we need someone proven and experienced.

You on the other hand are saying the exact opposite, in getting some one young and unproven.

The last person you want running a football team is the least expirenced guy in the room. Your idea is straight up idiotic. Tell me of a single advantage of your suggestion over mine. You won't be able to because there isn't one.

You have no idea how GMs get hired in this league do you

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

There’s only one way to judge an NFL GM and that’s the record. Wins and losses.

In the 10 years Marty Hurney has been GM, the team’s record is 79-81.

So the team is just under .500 and the trend is not good.

The first five years, the record was 44-36.

In the last five years, the record has been 35-45.

So the performance has declined.

The overall record over the last 10 years is mediocre at best. Is that what you want, as a fan of this team? Mediocre?

Are you happy with declining performance?

Many people can get by in their jobs by being mediocre. However, the owner of an NFL team must expect everyone in the organization to perform at an elite level so the team can be in a position to compete for a division championship every season.

Why? Because the fans—the people who pay for the team by watching on TV, buying the stuff, paying for tickets, and guzzling $8.00 beers—rightly demand excellence.

Based on the record, the actual numbers, and you can’t argue with the facts, Marty Hurney’s performance has been mediocre. And it’s getting worse.

For the last five years, admittedly, we’ve had a revolving door at the QB position, which is vital to success in this, or any, division.

But Marty Hurney’s job is to find an excellent QB and he totally botched the Jake Delhomme situation. And then he felt confident Matt Moore was the answer and then he was giddy about Jimmy Clausen. On November 21, 2010, the starting QB was Brian St. Pierre who was signed off the street after being a professional clip board holder for several teams including the Cardinals and Steelers.

Hurney then spent a ton of cash signing the core of a team that went 2-14. He has way overpaid for certain players. While many of his draft picks have been superb, many have been look-away-awful. Every GM makes mistakes but the teams that have consistently won their divisions and made the playoffs over the last five seasons rarely make mistakes on the scale of a Jimmy Clausen or Armanti Edwards—two second round picks who spend Sundays in street clothes and would likely be scouring Monster and Career Builder for ‘real’ jobs if they were not taking up space on our roster.

I still argue that the ‘elite’ GM would not have let Julius Peppers walk out the door. Since Peppers left, our pass rush has been poor. Hurney totally mishandled that situation: if it was clear Peppers didn't want to be here, Hurney should have traded Peppers a year before the original contract ran out. Several teams would have offered serious draft picks for Peppers.

As a salary cap manager, I don’t know if Hurney is really that good. This article from the Sun-Sentinel in south Florida indicates that the Panthers are pretty much maxxed out right now.

While many teams are viewing the running back position as a commodity (and rightfully so) Marty Hurney is shelling out major cash for two running backs who are close to their sell-by dates. We’ll see how that works out.

The philosophy of building through the draft then keeping your better players is fine provided:

1. You draft well—especially in the first three rounds.
   
2. You resist the temptation to overpay the players who have performed well for you.
   
3. You’re willing to let players who believe they will be paid a TON more elsewhere walk out the door knowing you can reload with a younger player or free agent.
   

When I look at our roster, I struggle to see a lot of players that other teams would die to have: Newton. Beason. Smith. Stewart. Kalil. That’s it and that’s rather sad.

Now that John Fox has a QB it will be interesting to see what happens. If he’s successful in Denver then you would have to look at personnel decisions as being THE major factor in this team’s poor performance over the last five seasons.

Let’s not forget that the owner has kept Hurney around despite the poor recent performance of the team. But nobody is allowed to criticize the owner.

Based on what I’ve heard on the only football show makes any sense, Moving the Chains on Sirius, we, as fans, should pretty much erase the past because Hurney has finally drafted a rock star quarterback.

If you’re like me, your job depends on your performance. My clients will fire me if I don’t produce. It should be the same for Marty Hurney who is mediocre and getting worse--based on results. Would another team pay Marty Hurney several million dollars? I doubt it—based on his mediocre and declining performance.

So let’s see what happens over the next two games: two home games against elite competition. If we lose both, our chances of making the playoffs this season are pretty much done.

And then let’s see what this season looks like. If the team makes the playoffs then Hurney gets a pass. If we don’t, then it’s clear we’re not competitive in our division and if I were the owner, I would fire the entire personnel department—pro and college.

I was stunned when JR kept Hurney after letting Fox go. So there’s no guarantee that JR will look at another poor record and fire Hurney. I’ve been extremely critical of Hurney on this board but I will wait until the end of the season to say anything more about him. Let’s see what happens now he’s drafted a quarterback with elite potential. Payton Manning will make John Fox look better than mediocre. Let’s see if Cam Newton does the same for Marty Hurney.