Kuechly

[xav8tor]

Yea you are and the biggest things. He was a bad pick because he is not a immediate impact player that you draft in the top 10. Yes he has tackled well when its been simple iso runs to the left and right but other then that he has been picked on. Its the reason he was not starting the 2nd game because a FB the last game gashed him in the passing game. Not only that but he was faked out by Josh Freeman several time in that game. Yes he tackles well but he is a liability at every other phase of the game. You ask why is he taking on the FB? Well its because he cant do much else. Im sorry if I have burst your rosy colored bubble there sport but those are the cold hard facts.

Like I said, I'll be back to say I told you so...and if I am wrong, I have a few good crow recipes. No point in me arguing further with someone who has more knowledge than the HC and the FO. I just don't know THAT much about football, especially taking first round picks, but I assume an ex LB on an SB team who is now an HC and has been a DC does.

[Snake]

Like I said, I'll be back to say I told you so...and if I am wrong, I have a few good crow recipes. No point in me arguing further with someone who has more knowledge than the HC and the FO. I just don't know THAT much about football, especially taking first round picks, but I assume an ex LB on an SB team who is now an HC and has been a DC does.

See thats what you are missing. Your eating crow right now cause you cant dispute he is not an impact player. The kid will be good, theres no doubting that but right now he is raw and needs time while in Philly Cox is being a disruptive DT. Now Im glade we got the Edwards wall but the fact still remains we need the extra DT and not the extra LB. When Kuechly does start to click its going to mean on thing. One of our top performing LBs is going to have to take a seat and thats just a shame because we could have used that talent elsewhere.

[xav8tor]

See thats what you are missing. Your eating crow right now cause you cant dispute he is not an impact player. The kid will be good, theres no doubting that but right now he is raw and needs time while in Philly Cox is being a disruptive DT. Now Im glade we got the Edwards wall but the fact still remains we need the extra DT and not the extra LB. When Kuechly does start to click its going to mean on thing. One of our top performing LBs is going to have to take a seat and thats just a shame because we could have used that talent elsewhere.

Funny, it just tastes like chicken, and yes I can dispute whether he is, or SOON will be, an impact player. Guys are on here bitchin' about the draft PICK itself. At THAT POINT IN TIME, we had serious issues with our LB's. Our turn comes in the first round... the guys who have to live with their decisions and sign the checks take an LB, not just any LB, but a 20 year old multiple award winning kid already displaying certain veteran level techniques (e.g., tackling), and who also happened to be, arguably at least, the BEST player available still on the board. I'm done discussing this, but I'll leave you with a rhetorical question: How is that a BAD pick? (which is the assertion I initially replied to).

[davos]

He's looked like a rookie so far but its good that TD looks like an all-pro again

No one should have any beef with this draft pick. Still a great pick, helps round out the LB core and we'll continue building this defense while growing into a stud team

I wanted Cox a ton but we've got Kuechly bototm line and with Dwan'ron, Frank, Keisersauce and co....I'm fine for now. I want a f*ck ton more pressure and sacks but this is our team. No need to bitch about the pick.

[bleys]

the fact that people are already throwing out terms like "Keuchly apologists" just goes to show how pathetic this place can be at times...

[Peppers90 NC]

the fact that people are already throwing out terms like "Keuchly apologists" just goes to show how pathetic this place can be at times...

I'm trying to figure out what they expect out of the guy after 2 games and what defensive rookie would actually make an impact on this team. Imeanfug, look who we had playing LBr last year and people still call it a luxury or wasted pick. We have the pansiest fan base in the NFL.

[Marguide]

For Snake and the others out there wishing we had gone another direction in the draft, do you think it would have been prudent to go into the season counting on TD as an every down linebacker? For that matter, do you think we should count on him now as an every down linebacker? That doesn't make sense.

Had we chosen to pick Cox for example, and then gotten another starting quality LB in FA, I have no doubt the same people would be complaining now that we wasted money in FA with our LB signing, saying it would have been smarter to get a CB for example.

Hindsight is perfect. Predicting the future isn't. Counting on TD and Beason both coming back healthy this year and ready to play every down would have been utterly foolish. Totally, completely, 100% foolish.

And as to Kuechly's play, you need to go back and review the games play-by-play. I love Beason as much as anyone, but he had more poor plays yesterday than Kuechly, in both pass coverage and tackling.

Kuechly hasn't made his signature play yet, and for the casual fan, that's all they see on the football field. Last week's holding call when Luke was blitzing is lost to these people. So was the near pick 6 in the Saints game that caused Drew to throw the ball in the dirt and got the D off the field.

Stop being emotional children and watch the damn game.

[panthers55]

What ever happened to the notion it takes 3 years to evaluate a drafted player before deciding if they are great or not.

Plus who is naive enough to think that it is as easy to play linebacker as it is to play defensive tackle?? In our defense the linebackers are the linchpin to the defense and have to make all the reads. And the Will is actually the hardest position among linebackers. DTs rush the passer and that is about all they do.

Besides that, who is dumb enough to compare players on different teams at different positions and assume that they would have the same impact here?

The logic or lack of logic here is mind numbing.

[PhillyB]

its hard to disguise idiocy

especially when you don't even try

[carolina-chuck]

Once he learn how to get off blocks, he'll be a beast on the field. Thats the biggest problem for him now. Had a better game yesterday than the Bucs' game. Seemed like the game slowed down a bit for him.

[frash.exe]

Anybody know why he cut down to 235?

Was he not fast enough or something at 243?

[xav8tor]

Eight pounds over the last few weeks in Carolina and Florida heat, much less through camp, isn't to be unexpected. Also, you can bet on the S/C coach putting the lbs. on him if/where/how they are needed. BC had him listed at 237 for 2011, NFL at 242 for the draft, and now the Panthers have him at 235. Probably nothing to it.

[Eazy-E]

Fletcher Cox doesn't even start over Derek Landri and mainly plays on passing downs with an extremely good D line in philly. Also at the end of the year there is going to be some 3rd or 4th round pick that has a breakout rookie season and people here are going to be livid that we didn't draft said player at No. 9 over the "bust" Kuechly. Some people are just retarded.

[Snake]

For Snake and the others out there wishing we had gone another direction in the draft, do you think it would have been prudent to go into the season counting on TD as an every down linebacker? For that matter, do you think we should count on him now as an every down linebacker? That doesn't make sense.

Had we chosen to pick Cox for example, and then gotten another starting quality LB in FA, I have no doubt the same people would be complaining now that we wasted money in FA with our LB signing, saying it would have been smarter to get a CB for example.

Hindsight is perfect. Predicting the future isn't. Counting on TD and Beason both coming back healthy this year and ready to play every down would have been utterly foolish. Totally, completely, 100% foolish.

And as to Kuechly's play, you need to go back and review the games play-by-play. I love Beason as much as anyone, but he had more poor plays yesterday than Kuechly, in both pass coverage and tackling.

Kuechly hasn't made his signature play yet, and for the casual fan, that's all they see on the football field. Last week's holding call when Luke was blitzing is lost to these people. So was the near pick 6 in the Saints game that caused Drew to throw the ball in the dirt and got the D off the field.

Stop being emotional children and watch the damn game.

Im just going in with facts and nothing else. If we went out every draft and tried to replace everyone that was injured the year before we would be a terrible team. The fact is we would have been alright with knowing Beason and Anderson were going to be starting. We were not alright with the fact that McClain was our only UT. Cox could have solved that for years. We are luckly we got Edwards but it could have turned out worse.

Also if your saying Kuechly was not being picked on in Tampa your the causal fan. Ive rewached that game many times and he was exposed greatly. I have yet to see the Film for the Saints game to say if Kuechly did better than Beason but Im going to say I doubt it.