stewart will miss opener...

[CRA]

I am not going to try and convince you I am right since I know I am. Apparently you didn't get this before after pages of debate so I doubt you will get it this time so I won't go back and forth.

But for the last time, Stewart wasn't on the field for every read option play so he can't be the first option on every play when he isn't even on the field. The read option doesn't require a runner to go up the middle to be a run option play so no Stewart is not always getting the inside handoff, and no, every run option doesn't start with a fake to the inside guy.

So yes you are assuming that every read option play has an inside fake and that isn't true. Did we do it quite a bit? Yes. But we didn't do it all the time.

For what is worth, Tolbert will serve that role while Stewart is out so no biggie either. And yes Tolbert can do it since it doesn't require the runner to do anything other than run forward and either get the ball or block for Newton who keeps it. They don't read anything.

Same challenge as last time....find one game, one play last year....where Carolina ran the read option without Stewart.

Not to today, later in the week....just find one play showing them running the spread option without Stewart last year.

Tolbert is a wildcard. He might can do it....but Chud didn't ask Williams to last year. You claim they did....yet like last time haven't shown a read option without Stewart

[CRA]

Stewart was the one running the zone read option.

Williams was the one running the speed option.

Williams did not do what Stewart was doing (zone read). We only ran that with Stew. We only ran the speed with Williams.

That does not mean Williams can't run the zone read option. I think he will today - either him or Tolbert. But last year, CRA is right. Stew was the guy running the zone read option. Williams ran the speed option.

Thank you. One guy gets what the college read option is.

[CRA]

Yes they were. That is where you are wrong. You think an option play requires an inside handoff and it doesn't. That is one option you can run not the only one. And Stewart wasn't reading anything. He was simply taking the handoff and running to daylight. Running behind zone blocking and picking an open hole is not what they are talking about when they are using the term an option read. They mean the quarterback reading the end, not the running back reading his blocking which is totally different.

Wrong. You think bc a play is an option play....the RB was qualified as running the spread read option. Only Stewart did the zone read....Williams participated in option plays.

[Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa]

from the horse's mouth...

Jonathan Stewart‏@Jonathanstewar1

Sorry panther fans but it Looks like I'll be missing the game opener this year due to my recent ankle sprain!... http://fb.me/1IK2AawbF

Yea! One less weapon we will have to worry about today

[Floppin]

^{Just because we always used Stewart on the inside dive off of the zone read doesn't mean that Williams can't do it. They each had defined roles in the option set because we had both of them available to play. With Stewart sitting, there is no reason to believe that Williams can't run that play for that position. I think that most likely scenario for this game, however, is to let Tolbert play the inside option role with Williams staying outside for the speed option.}

[CRA]

^{Just because we always used Stewart on the inside dive off of the zone read doesn't mean that Williams can't do it. They each had defined roles in the option set because we had both of them available to play. With Stewart sitting, there is no reason to believe that Williams can't run that play for that position. I think that most likely scenario for this game, however, is to let Tolbert play the inside option role with Williams staying outside for the speed option.}

Maybe he can....he just didn't last year. Suits Stewart's skill set and background.

Don't know enough about Tolbert, he seems like an ideal candidate for it. Which is why he potentially could be the perfect guy to help this O. He is the type runner that runs well between the tackle....they also can just use him in standard shotgun formations as a rec/ blocker and can then go right into those read option looks they liked so much

Tolbert is an unknown. They could plug him right into it.

[CRA]

Yea! One less weapon we will have to worry about today

Not really, you still have to worry about a beast RB every down. You just won't have to be as confused about which one

[sml1950]

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)

on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.

As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.

[CRA]

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)

on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.

As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.

Cam averaged 7 runs a game last year....planned and unplanned.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

An awful lot of technical discussion on an issue that won't be used more than 3 or 4 times today. Rivera's weekly interview with Kirwan/Ryan(Tues @ 4 this year)

on Sirius said that they will limit Cam's planned runs (unlike Foxy's lockjaw) to 6-8 per game. This includes draws, sneaks and options. He also said they are making it a point for him to check down to the backs rather than scramble when protection breaks down.

As for Stewart's absense, having Tolbert to stand in may be a blessing. A bowling ball like MJD ran wild on us in the slop last year and Tolbert will be very hard to get arms around when it's wet. I cansee him pinballing thru the Bucs and gaining big yards.

Coach Ron Rivera confirmed that there are no restrictions on Cam Newton as a runner this season.

Rivera expects six-to-seven carries per game, including red-zone running, from Newton. One of the prime reasons other fantasy sites have been down on Newton is the expectation that his goal-line role would be scaled back. We've never seen an indication that the Panthers would turn away from the unstoppable double threat in the red zone. Newton is a top-three quarterback in the Rotoworld Draft Guide.

[DaCityKats]

The Basics of the Zone-Read Play

Since Michigan's offense will call the zone-read option its bread-and-butter play for the next few years, fans are probably interested in how the play works. Slightly more interesting than "run left," I assure you.

Most important to the smooth operation of the zone-read is not a quarterback who is blazing fast, but a signal caller who can make the right decision with the ball, and can at least do a little damage with his feet.

The play operates out of the shotgun, with either one back to the QB's side or one split to either side of him. The running back for whom the play is called will start lined up on what will eventually be the backside of the play, since he crosses in front of the quarterback (this is not always the case in RR's offense, but for the sake of the basic play, we will start with that). The offensive line will block down to the playside, leaving the backside defensive end unblocked. This is the player that the QB will read (hence the name "zone-read").

The quarterback takes the snap, and the running back crosses in front of him. The QB puts the ball in his stomach, but does not hand it off. This is called the "mesh point" where either the QB or the running back can end up with the ball. It is at this point that the quarterback must be able to make a good decision with the ball, and read the defensive end. If the defensive end stays at home and holds contain, the quarterback simply hands off the ball to the RB. The offensive line is expected to outnumber the defenders, and block everyone for a good gain (or excellent depending on execution and the running back's vision).

If the defensive end gets greedy, and decides to try to chase down the running back from behind, the quarterback pulls the ball out from the mesh point, and runs back past the end, and gets a decent gain (if the offensive line blocks well, the QB should be able to get to the second level without facing a defender). The quarterback makes this read if the defensive end turns his shoulders toward the running back, rather than keeping them parallel with the line of scrimmage, as he would if keeping contain.

This is obviously the very basic play, so there are lots of other variations on it. For example, backs can be motioned into or out of the backfield, slot receivers can be used as pitchmen, the play can be designed to go towards the direction that the RB is lined up, rather than the opposite direction, etc. The option-pass can also be effective, with the play run the exact same way, but if the DE crashes, the quarterback, instead of trying to gain yards, rolls out for a pass, using the zone-read as a play-action.

http://varsityblue.b...-read-play.html

so if its just the QB and RB then its only a dive and QB read. add another RB than you then have a dive, QB run, and pitch read.

[CRA]

http://varsityblue.blogspot.com/2008/04/basics-of-zone-read-play.html

Yep. WIlliams was never involved in seeing that "mesh point" and serving that role. Not sure why that is so hard. The zone read was Stewart.....

[DaCityKats]

Yep. WIlliams was never involved in seeing that "mesh point" and serving that role. Not sure why that is so hard

its hard because you never said that, you claimed that he was never part of the option read.when the entire play is a option read.

[jasonluckydog]

This will be the 3rd game Stewart has missed in his entire Pro Career, I believe.