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Adam Schein "speaks"...

Jackofalltrades

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Im not comparing performances and whether or not Pep decided to play. Im comparing rosters. The 2008 line is almost identical to the 2009 line. No significant changes. People taking plays off, whoever they may be, is another story.

Players aren't the same each year, situations change, age, etc.

Piggy for example isn't the same guy today he was then. Otah wasn't on the field in 09 vs 08. Pep was still playing vs being tagged on a team he wanted off of. Vincent wasnt the same. Etc.

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Players aren't the same each year, situations change, age, etc.

Piggy for example isn't the same guy today he was then. Otah wasn't on the field in 09 vs 08. Pep was still playing vs being tagged on a team he wanted off of. Vincent wasnt the same. Etc.

I am not going to get into a debate of the mental state of players between 2008 and 2009. They are paid millions to play, not feel sad. Rosters were identical.

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i don't know...i think for the most part there wasn't a whole lot of difference between the 12-4 team and the '09 team, was there? jake got hurt/fell apart and teams figured out foxball and foxy didn't change. i think that was the main difference there.

I don't know....maybe it was the Jake/Foz effect. But they werent dominate up front like they were. I don't think Keydrick and Otah were the same players but who knows. We also lost Gross and shuffled.

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I am not going to get into a debate of the mental state of players between 2008 and 2009. They are paid millions to play, not feel sad. Rosters were identical.

You are too focused on looking at a list of names.

What and who was on the field wasn't identical. for example, how many games was Wharton playing LT in 2009? Who was playing LG replacing Wharton? How is that comparable to Gross at LT and Wharton at LG? How is Keydrick using up the last bit of gas in 2008 comparable to a Key on empty in 2009?

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The only thing I am sure of is that we better go in there with a taste for blood from the opening kick-off. Tampa absolutely QUIT playing last season, especially down the stretch where we beat them twice. If we are expecting to see that team on Sunday, we will be in for a rude awakening. I hope that we are mentally prepared to face an actual NFL team when we take the field.

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I don't know....maybe it was the Jake/Foz effect. But they werent dominate up front like they were. I don't think Keydrick and Otah were the same players but who knows. We also lost Gross and shuffled.

'09 was a precursor to '10 and just a general hangover from that cards whopping in the playoffs.

the team (players and FO) lost faith in fox and jake at that point...esp. in regards to the direction they were heading.

point is, that there's just not a lot of difference in that team and this one. we lost a couple key players but gained much more. i think you could look at the '08 team and this one and in comparison this one is at least as good and probably better because of the QB and the coaching staff/schemes.

people look at the panthers and focus on '09 and '10 and use that as the standard but this team was for years at least mediocre being held back by the coaching staff, the QB, the team being more one dimensional, and a lack of weapons on offense. that just isn't the case anymore.

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I think it's so funny that instead of the media mentioning the Bucs multiple weaknesses (DT position, LB core), they mention that CARL NICKS IS THERE!!11!!111 Yes, he'll make a difference, but that's assuming Doug Martin is worth a damn to begin with, which we don't know.

how many people do they think nicks is going to be blocking?

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I bleed Panther blue and articles from jackasses like Schein piss me off just like you.

But when it comes down to it, the Panthers seem to fair better when they go under the radar. A team with lofty expectations can only fail to live up to them.

this kind of thinking frustrates me.

the very moment that we make an impact in the playoffs, we are going to start being that team that is not just considered perennial playoff contenders, but superbowl contenders as well. once people see what these guys are capable of and it's not looking like a fluke expectations are going to be through the roof year after year...and a lot of that has to do with who we have at QB.

forget that under the radar crap. that whole mindset is fortunately heading straight for the rear view mirror.

the biggest problem i have with trying to fly under the radar is that it's a built in excuse for anything but excellent results..."well...we weren't really expected to do much anyway." meh....there's only so long a team can fly under the radar before they are successful. teams that always fly under the radar constantly live up to their low expectations.

i want this team to be king of the hill. i want them to be the one that everyone is gunning for and that everyone expects to be great. i want them to earn it and keep earning it.

enough with the moderate expectations. let's get this team on the radar.

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