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[rayzor]

No, based on talent, NYG is the clear cut #1. But depth AND talent 1-5, I think we give them a run for their money.

People are down on Hardy, but let's see what he does this year. If he isn't showing any progress through the midpoint of the season, then we'll need to address that then, but if he plays up to his potential, people will have to take notice this season.

yep....possible homer alert here, but i kind of look at our DE corps like i do our WR corps.

people will look at it and think we have no true counterpart for our star player at that position so that must mean we're week, but overall the depth/corps is just as solid as any other group and the other parts going on around it help make it potentially very special.

[panther4life]

Thomas Keiser and and Coples also probably saw more preseason snaps than most D.E'S too. That being said, hes got some talent.

[rayzor]

Philly and the Giants have A LOT more help inside. If the Panthers had even an average crop of DTs that could push the middle our DEs would thrive. The talent on the outside is there.

that's why i'd rather us go after vet DTs than drafting. i want to make use of the talent surrounding that position rather than wait a couple years for DTs to develop holding back every other part.

[CRA]

Philly and the Giants have A LOT more help inside. If the Panthers had even an average crop of DTs that could push the middle our DEs would thrive. The talent on the outside is there.

Any team can say if we had y...x would be better. Can't just use that logic for Carolina and no one else. They have more at DT....yes, but until proven otherwise they have more at DE as well.

[Udogg]

Wow... before the season the homerism is so strong it's damn near suffocating.

[Jackofalltrades]

Kieser is the type guy who makes a football team good.

Why need more of those guys. Nothing flashy....but a legit football player that makes good depth at a postion bc he can actually play.

A white Al Wallace. Now all we need to do is find a starter for him to backup across from CJ

Agree, the quintessential "blue collar" guy who just gives his all every play. A Nick Goings of sorts. I'm a big Keiser fan, hopefully he continues his success into the regular season.

[Chaos]

Did his mom tweet that?

[rayzor]

Wow... before the season the homerism is so strong it's damn near suffocating.

better than bitching and whining, isn't it? what's worse...people feeling good about the team or feeling like it's a pile of dog poo?

[CRA]

better than bitching and whining, isn't it? what's worse...people feeling good about the team or feeling like it's a pile of dog poo?

lol...

Someone takes a non-homersitc view on a issue....and they somehow think the team is poo.

Huddle needs balance. Ying and yang and all that poo. Can't have everyone talking about how we are going to trade Clausen for 3rd rounder.

[Dpantherman]

Any team can say if we had y...x would be better. Can't just use that logic for Carolina and no one else. They have more at DT....yes, but until proven otherwise they have more at DE as well.

Dude, you can't have productive DEs without something from the DTs. Thats not a shoulda coulda woulda, thats just fact.

[rayzor]

lol...

Someone takes a non-homersitc view on a issue....and they somehow think the team is poo.

Huddle needs balance. Ying and yang and all that poo. Can't have everyone talking about how we are going to trade Clausen for 3rd rounder.

it was aimed at udogg's comment about how the homerism is suffocating. it's ok to say that but not it's better to have a lot of homers than a lot of whiny bitches?

[CRA]

it was aimed at udogg's comment about how the homerism is suffocating. it's ok to say that but not it's better to have a lot of homers than a lot of whiny bitches?

I think we need a healthy mix of both here

[rayzor]

I think we need a healthy mix of both here

i agree, but why not tell udogg?

because it's always better to try and bring down the optimistic ones than to criticize the negative ninnies?

i swear some people act like telling people to tap the brakes is a mission from God or some kind of sovereign duty.

[Udogg]

better than bitching and whining, isn't it? what's worse...people feeling good about the team or feeling like it's a pile of dog poo?

Pile of poo? Not close... saying that we have the second or third best DE core in the league? Really? This isn't saying we are garbage post at all, but can you take a brief moment to look at this objectively and think that maybe, just maybe this is a huge f#$$ing stretch.