Removing the franchise tag from Julius Peppers is the best option.

[X-Clown]

Earlier, you mentioned it from the perspective of the FO. "Firing" is definitely a FO perspective. "Blame" is most directly from the fans. You do not "blame" your coaches for doing something stupid. You changed the perspective. Be more consistent, Please.

This is the guy who finds a fault with just about every decision or non-decision our front office makes. I have no doubt in my mind that he would be calling for Hurney's head if he let Peppers walk. It's part of his nature to stir the pot and be the negative contrarian on every argument. You're wasting your time with him.

[carolinarolls]

This is the guy who finds a fault with just about every decision or non-decision our front office makes. I have no doubt in my mind that he would be calling for Hurney's head if he let Peppers walk. It's part of his nature to stir the pot and be the negative contrarian on every argument. You're wasting your time with him.

I called for them to let him walk before Jordan Gross was even signed know-it-all. And I gushed praise on the FO all last off season, camp, and regular season.

I don't like Jake as the QB in our system and I think the Peppers decision was the wrong one in spite of his "apparent value" leading up to the tagging. That's about it as far as me being negative nancy on the Panthers.

Git yer fvckin' facts straight moron.

[Kurb]

i really don't like sacks as a good metric for evaluating players. that's like kurb bragging about how good at sex he is because he can masturbate 16 times in an hour

Don't be mad you can't keep up!:incazzato:

[panthers55]

From Panthers55:

"Right now he is going to make 17 million if he plays 17 games. Unless he is injured of course he has to play to get paid."

I beleive he will get paid if hurt as ell. That's part of the contract. Unless he's hurt from, say, drunk driving. Then there may be an out..

That happens with anybody and injury is a real issue although he has been pretty healthy throughout his career and has played with a broken thumb and has missed few games other than the four for a suspension. My point is if he sits out he doesn't get paid. His money isn't guaranteed until he signs the tender and reports to the team.

[panthers55]

Sorry Fiz. The ability to make the right decision was aborted when the tag was placed. It's too late to salvage this debacle now no matter how extremely they change their strategy.

The right decision was putting on the tag and the right decision is keeping it there. Those who argue against it obviously know little to nothing about business or you wouldn't make an idiotic comment.

Untagging him is essentially giving him away for nothing. That would be like giving your house away because it is less valuable than it once was and you have to sacrifice to make the payments and it is harder to sell.

The smart to thing to do is either get what you can for it or keep it until the value returns or in the case of next year, keep him (the house) until your income stream (cap space) changes in a positive direction (uncapped year). I fully expect that contracts will escalate next year unless a CBA is signed before then and his money won't look at bad as it does right now with the economy in the tank.

Letting him go for cap space when there is no free agent out there worth replacing him with is ridiculous. And anyone who really thinks we can replace him with who we have on the roster or a guy like Robertson knows very little about football. When was the last time a rookie DE like Brown had 10 sacks in his rookie year?

Start thinking with your brain instead of your emotions. The only debacle is what is happening for Peppers not the Panthers. He gambled and lost big time. If he is a man he will come back and swallow his pride. If he is a fool he will hold out and give you something to talk about for the next several months.

[carolinarolls]

Start thinking with your brain instead of your emotions. The only debacle is what is happening for Peppers not the Panthers. He gambled and lost big time. If he is a man he will come back and swallow his pride. If he is a fool he will hold out and give you something to talk about for the next several months.

That is what I have done from the start. The intelligent albeit unpopular choice is to get him gone and go to work on 2009-10. The emotional choice is to get upset and tag him expecting him to play along and give us our due compensation.

Since the truth is that Julius owes the Carolina Panthers absolutely nothing it takes a very stupid individual to even HOPE that he would play along and make sure WE were taken care of.

Take some of your own advice.

lmao @ 55

But I do agree that it is too late to salvage anything by admitting you made a mistake and take off the tag now. Now we just sit and wait to see what 17 million gets us this year. I will await (on pins and needles) your evaluation after the regular season.

[carolinarolls]

That would be like giving your house away because it is less valuable than it once was and you have to sacrifice to make the payments and it is harder to sell.

poorest Peppers analogy to date..and there has been many including a Chevelle and an ex girlfriend.

congrats 55

lmao @ 55

[Jangler]

This whole thread is just silly.

[panthers55]

That is what I have done from the start. The intelligent albeit unpopular choice is to get him gone and go to work on 2009-10. The emotional choice is to get upset and tag him expecting him to play along and give us our due compensation.

Since the truth is that Julius owes the Carolina Panthers absolutely nothing it takes a very stupid individual to even HOPE that he would play along and make sure WE were taken care of.

Take some of your own advice.

lmao @ 55

But I do agree that it is too late to salvage anything by admitting you made a mistake and take off the tag now. Now we just sit and wait to see what 17 million gets us this year. I will await (on pins and needles) your evaluation after the regular season.

Again you have no idea what you are talking about. Tagging a player is a business decision not an emotional one. It is about getting the value we deserve under the CBA.

Running around crying and whining and fretting about who we missed out on because we have our cap tied up on him is the emotonal decision. If you knew the Panthers as well as you believe, you would also know that Hurney is not an emotional guy. He is very straightforward and business like. He made this decision after much fore thought. He isn't going to change his mind nor should he. He began the process when he signed Gross and will play it out as he should.

As for what happens after the season we will see what we will see. And hindsight provides a basis for decision making which is not available when looking forward.

The best decision right now has and will be to tag him and play it out. Hindsight is always 20-20. But the reality is you make the best decision you can and you have to have the courage to live with it. If information changes you re-evaluate. Nothing at this point is different than it was 4 or 8 weeks ago so there is nothing to change or discuss.

But then again why am I wasting my time discussing things rationally with you. Unless you think like that, you have no point of reference.

[panthers55]

poorest Peppers analogy to date..and there has been many including a Chevelle and an ex girlfriend.

congrats 55

lmao @ 55

I find it a step up you actually know what an analogy is. You might be smarter than a fifth grader! Congrats!!

[panthers55]

This whole thread is just silly.

With Crolls leading the thread what were you hoping for? Insight???

:beatdeadhorse5:

[carolinarolls]

With Crolls leading the thread what were you hoping for? Insight???

:beatdeadhorse5:

pay attention 55. I am not leading anything in this thread and do not agree with the premise set by the OP at all. You are just following me around again and got confused (as usual).

And as far as tagging a player being a business decision, I know. In most cases it is. However in this case there is no way a smart businessman could weigh risk and reward and put us in this situation. He is either an idiot (not inclined to believe) or reacted emotionally.

Haven't you been paying attention?

lmao @ 55

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[R0CKnR0LLA]

I don't like Jake as the QB in our system and I think the Peppers decision was the wrong one in spite of his "apparent value" leading up to the tagging. That's about it as far as me being negative nancy on the Panthers.

carolinarolls,

Everyone has a handful of things they'd like to see the Panthers do differently. The difference being most of us don't make 100+ posts harping on them over and over.

I didn't think Irvin was worth the 3rd round pick we used on him this year. I made a couple posts in the threads after the draft saying it wasn't a good pick and left it at that. What would the point be of harping on this for weeks and weeks? Do you really want to see me post over and over about how dumb I think the pick is?

There are plenty of new/positive things you can focus on, just move on already.

[carolinarolls]

carolinarolls,

Everyone has a handful of things they'd like to see the Panthers do differently. The difference being most of us don't make 100+ posts harping on them over and over.

I didn't think Irvin was worth the 3rd round pick we used on him this year. I made a couple posts in the threads after the draft saying it wasn't a good pick and left it at that. What would the point be of harping on this for weeks and weeks? Do you really want to see me post over and over about how dumb I think the pick is?

There are plenty of new/positive things you can focus on, just move on already.

I congratulate you in your self discipline endeavors.