Should we run the ball more this year?

[jarhead]

perhaps ground and pound is too ancient of a term to use here... As Hurney said it sets the tone, you don't have to implement a traditional Power-O philosophy as much as if the D is putting 7 in the box I fully expect to see more running than passing in those situations..

Not because Cam can't throw, instead it wears down a defense which could have closed out a few games last year... By the 4th quarter we can lean on that running game and burn off the clock..

I think it is an ancient term.If you look at Brady most of his passes are 3 to 7 yards which is really an extension of the running game.For the context of this post I included the dink and dunk passes as rushing.We have rbs that can play that game very well .They are very effective in keeping the defense behind the line of scrimmage.

[jarhead]

Done with the we have a bad d talk. We dont know yet. I think were lookin at 5 new staters from last year. Edwards, beason, kuechly, norman and tbd safety.

You may not know but I have seen enough to know we do not have the talent pool to be have a great defense.We do not have the push up the middle or speed on the outside to keep pressure on the qb.We have CJ and you cant expect him to do it all.Beason returning will be a great thing but it will not fix our safeties or our DL.

In my opinion we will have to score more than last year by at least 6 points and win the battle of ball control to win enough games to get in the playoffs.

[toldozer]

24 points a game is what we can give up and make the playoffs imo.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I don't know about the rest of you but I have been trying to contain myself in believing this offense is going to be damn near unstoppable. Barring major injuries our weakness is probably our rookie guard and he is doing well. You have talented beef up front, Running backs that can run you over or run by you. A QB that can rifle a ball 50-60 yds on a rope, ACCURATELY. Two or three WR that have insane quickness and speed. A great pass catching TE. You stack up to stop the run someone is going to beat you for a big gain. Take the passing game away and make our running game beat you... We will shove the ball down your throat. Then on top of all that. Through Chuz game planning.

I believe the way teams are going to approach this. Blitz often. Hope for mistakes. That type of strategy is extremely dangerous and Carolina has the manpower to make the pay and pay dearly.

We get a couple of scores up and we start running. Teams are going really focus on the run to get the ball back before we chew up the clock. There goes Smitty one on one. Now you are down 3 scores.

GAME OVER....

I am trying to contain myself..... Not doing a very good job.

[broseidon]

Rookie Cam Newton broke Mannings record with no offseason.....yet we need to find a way to open up the passing game more?

We had Double Trouble last year....paychecks don't determine how you call games. Williams had more touches in 2007 as Fosters backup than in 2011... and 2011 was year one of his huge new deal.

I just don't see it. Nothing from year 1 of the Chud era seems to backup this rampant run more campaign.

Cam will be better...why take it out of his hands now when the coaches have voiced they wanted a heavy load on him early bc that was what the offense would require.

I have to disagree

Why spend millions and millions of $$ on 2 running backs and a fullback if we're not going to use them? I see the amount of $$ being spent on our backfield is a direct reflection of the direction our coaches want to see the offense go. You just don't spend that kind of money on them and turn around and say we are going to be a passing offense.

If you where to say that the offense was to go into a more passing attack, you would have seen us trade Steward.. keep Sutton... And use that $$ to go for high power WRs in free agent or draft.

If your going to convince me otherwise, come up with a more compelling argument

[rayzor]

I have to disagree

Why spend millions and millions of $$ on 2 running backs and a fullback if we're not going to use them? I see the amount of $$ being spent on our backfield is a direct reflection of the direction our coaches want to see the offense go. You just don't spend that kind of money on them and turn around and say we are going to be a passing offense.

If you where to say that the offense was to go into a more passing attack, you would have seen us trade Steward.. keep Sutton... And use that $$ to go for high power WRs in free agent or draft.

If your going to convince me otherwise, come up with a more compelling argument

i don't think they use them because they paid so much. i think they paid them so much because 1) they see the value they bring and 2) because they intend to use them.

[jarhead]

i don't think they use them because they paid so much. i think they paid them so much because 1) they see the value they bring and 2) because they intend to use them.

I view the short passes as an extension of the run.It was interesting that a guest on NFL network that Tom Brady did not have a running game ans Eric Davis responded yes he does its Wes Welker. Stew had more receiving yards last year than his prior years combined.

In the days of Foxball when you had a fb,rb,and TE in the game the defense played it as a run.Now they have to account for the rb,fb and TE as potential passing threats.Stew averaged over 8 yards per pass and 5 yds per run.

[rayzor]

I view the short passes as an extension of the run.It was interesting that a guest on NFL network that Tom Brady did not have a running game ans Eric Davis responded yes he does its Wes Welker. Stew had more receiving yards last year than his prior years combined.

In the days of Foxball when you had a fb,rb,and TE in the game the defense played it as a run.Now they have to account for the rb,fb and TE as potential passing threats.Stew averaged over 8 yards per pass and 5 yds per run.

agreed. the thing that makes them more dangerous is that you have to account for the possibility of them running the ball or being included in the passing game. when they are on the field you just don't know to what capacity they are going to be used...just that they are dangerous when they have it. the key to making that threat work to the betterment of the offense as a whole is in having them included as much as possible in both capacities without shifting the balance towards them and away from any other potential threats.

defenders have to be respecting all aspects of this offense for them to be properly spread out and for us to take complete advantage of them.

[CRA]

I have to disagree

Why spend millions and millions of $$ on 2 running backs and a fullback if we're not going to use them? I see the amount of $$ being spent on our backfield is a direct reflection of the direction our coaches want to see the offense go. You just don't spend that kind of money on them and turn around and say we are going to be a passing offense.

If you where to say that the offense was to go into a more passing attack, you would have seen us trade Steward.. keep Sutton... And use that $$ to go for high power WRs in free agent or draft.

If your going to convince me otherwise, come up with a more compelling argument

We used them last year.

We gave Williams a HUGE deal last year and he touched the ball more when he backed up Foster in 2007. So yeah, you may disagree..but last year that big paycheck didn't mean he got the reps associated with that kind of payday.

The burden is on YOU. Not me. They ran our RBs at a record LOW last year for this team. It is being built around Cam. 2011 is my supporting proof of my stance

[broseidon]

We used them last year.

We gave Williams a HUGE deal last year and he touched the ball more when he backed up Foster in 2007. So yeah, you may disagree..but last year that big paycheck didn't mean he got the reps associated with that kind of payday.

The burden is on YOU. Not me. They ran our RBs at a record LOW last year for this team. It is being built around Cam. 2011 is my supporting proof of my stance

I guess we'll just have to wait and see

[Proudiddy]

[rayzor]

whoa....

[CRA]

Well Tolbert was brought in to pass protect and catch. The fact he upgrades our FB postion instead of using TEs is also a plus.

I have never argued against them not being involved heavily....just that with Cam lining up and pounding them like Fox would do....is over. Doing that limits Cam. Short pass can be an extension of the run....same play however has other options

[Montsta]

I remember someone posting something about how we would have been 14-2 last year if games ended after two quarters and how Cam's rating would have been 100+ or something like that. I think if we can score early with a solid tempo early then the second have we can just run the hydra down their throats in the second half when they are tired.