Kealoha Pilares

[jayflip]

Dear VIP,

I respect your right to post unfounded opinions about our Flyin' Hawaiin, however, I personally am on the opposite spectrum of this. The kid has talent and can be a major force as a slot receiver for us. He's only in his 2nd year and this is his true first offseason. Development takes some time. 89 wasn't an all-pro overnight. I'm not saying KP will be like 89, I'm just saying WR typically takes 3 years to develop.

He's not world class, that we know of yet, but he's surely not pure garbage that we know of yet either.

That pass he caught against Miami was pretty exciting.

His KR TD def padded his KR stats last year, but if you actually watched it in-depth, you'd see how close he was to busting through the seam on multiple occasions. KR is about more than pure ability from the return man, it's about blocking as well. And I'm not sure you noticed, but our ST blocking was putrid last year.

This preseason, you can bet the only reason he took those deep kick offs out of the endzone is because it's preseason and games don't matter. They're about evaluation, and coaches can't evaluate ST blocking and performance on touch backs.

[The Special One]

[mav1234]

If you subtract his fluke 101 yard TD return he's one of the worst in the league

You don't subtract the best play a player has when evaluating where he stands in the league, unless you do it to all the other returners, too. Considering that in the return game, those "fluke returns" are extremely important (also, fluke? He had a near TD in a different return but got injured) when evaluating KRs.

[VIP]

You don't subtract the best play a player has when evaluating where he stands in the league, unless you do it to all the other returners, too. Considering that in the return game, those "fluke returns" are extremely important (also, fluke? He had a near TD in a different return but got injured) when evaluating KRs.

It makes sense to subtract an outlier especially since he has a lot fewer yards/attempts than most of the leaders in return yardage. If all it takes is 1 return to take your statistics from top tier to bottom tier then to me thats an outlier that should be removed. if you take Joe McKnights best return and subtract from his stats he's still 1st in the league in yards/return (and he has over 1000 yards anyway), so he's probably not a fluke. yeah it was a nice 1 play but...its just 1 play. The reality is over the course of a season Pilares is a below average kickoff returner. Start Adams.

[Jaxel]

Besides that 1 35 yard pint return, what has anyone seen from Adams besides 5 other 6 yard returns?

[mav1234]

It makes sense to subtract an outlier especially since he has a lot fewer yards/attempts than most of the leaders in return yardage. If all it takes is 1 return to take your statistics from top tier to bottom tier then to me thats an outlier that should be removed. if you take Joe McKnights best return and subtract from his stats he's still 1st in the league in yards/return (and he has over 1000 yards anyway), so he's probably not a fluke. yeah it was a nice 1 play but...its just 1 play. The reality is over the course of a season Pilares is a below average kickoff returner. Start Adams.

It doesn't make sense when that doesn't appear to be an outlier, since he had another long return that would have gone the distance if not for the injury. It is also extremely risky to remove data points in small samples. You also should probably not be comparing a rookie returner with less than a season of starts to what amounted to one of the best averages in kickoff return history. Pilares is no McKnight, but he's a lot better returner than Armanti when it comes to game time.

The argument that Armanti is more versatile really is not applicable because Armanti is not a change of pace for this offense. I like Armanti and I hope he makes the team somehow but I highly doubt Pilares gets cut for him.

As to Adams being the better returner, I hope so, but I think that is a battle that won't be decided just yet.

[La Pantera]

VIP...you can't take away a play. It happened... therefore it exist on the stats.

[panthers34]

Not in the least.

But I'll bump this thread after the season when Pilares gets less than 100 yards receiving in garbage time (obviously he will playing behind Smitty, Lafell, Murphy, Gettis). I wonder if everyone will still be pretending he's useful. Just let Adams return kicks stop wasting roster spots

Kicks and punts are a lot different..If Adams was better than him at kick returns i'm sure he would be returning them...Pilares was top 10 last year at kick returns in the league and i'm not sure why you think he sucks

[panthers34]

If you subtract his fluke 101 yard TD return he's one of the worst in the league

You can say that about anyone...Subtract that Joe Adams punt return against Tennessee and most of us don't even know who he is, but that play did happen and is shows he talent and potential..No play is a fluke and Pilares worked for that Touchdown and made a nice play

[VIP]

VIP...you can't take away a play. It happened... therefore it exist on the stats.

not much of a statistical guru are you

[La Pantera]

not much of a statistical guru are you

You're the only one who doesn't seem to get it...! So I guess your brilliant and everyone else is wrong?