Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

[CRA]

if the QB is in spread shotgun, takes the snap, starts running up the middle and hits a DT head on getting taken down 3 yards behind the LOS, then no, it's definitely not a sack. Just because he's in the pocket doesn't mean he's trying to pass.

It's also counted as such. I just skimmed a play by play of one of our games on NFL.com, and it didn't take me so much as a minute of searching to find a "Cam run up the middle for -4 yards" in there.

Cam takes the snap, fakes handoff to Stewart up the gut...and then moves as if he could to take the QB keeper outside the tackle (which is often the standard QB run option if they bite on Stewart....it could be either a run or pass. Spread option gives Cam both the QB keeper after the fake or to a rollout pass. Only QB knows what his intent was if that gets blown up.

[frash.exe]

I'd say part of the judgment would lie in how he was holding the ball

if it's tucked in that should count as a run attempt

[CRA]

I'd say part of the judgment would lie in how he was holding the ball

if it's tucked in that should count as a run attempt

Jimmy tucks it in...maybe all those are designed QB draws.

Lol...J/k

[frash.exe]

Jimmy tucks it in...maybe all those are designed QB draws.

Lol...J/k

all joking aside, I trust the NFL's anal-retentiveness in everything they do enough to expect them to be able to accurately distinguish things like this, but I do think whoever tallies these stats takes discretion at some point, because not everybody is obsessed with this ideal that the running game is still prominent enough to justify dropping a bunch of guaranteed money into it like half the people on this board are.

[Tarheels23]

Cam takes the snap, fakes handoff to Stewart up the gut...and then moves as if he could to take the QB keeper outside the tackle (which is often the standard QB run option if they bite on Stewart....it could be either a run or pass. Spread option gives Cam both the QB keeper after the fake or to a rollout pass. Only QB knows what his intent was if that gets blown up.

Anytime the QB is tackled for "no gain" or a "lost" it's considered a sack, no matter what his intentions was.

[panthers55]

all joking aside, I trust the NFL's anal-retentiveness in everything they do enough to expect them to be able to accurately distinguish things like this, but I do think whoever tallies these stats takes discretion at some point, because not everybody is obsessed with this ideal that the running game is still prominent enough to justify dropping a bunch of guaranteed money into it like half the people on this board are.

Honestly I think you are the one obsessed with the whole we are dropping a bunch of money on a running game that isn't prominent or important anymore. As I showed you earlier, the bunch of guaranteed money is going to be roughly 40 million over 5 years or roughly 8 million per year. Even with the salary cap numbers (11-12 million per year) it will be roughly 10% of our cap. That is not a bunch or causing us the inability to spend the money elsewhere. We have individual players like Gross and Johnson making more than their combined salaries.

Supposedly passing teams like New Orleans are spending roughly 80% of what we are and some of their players are still on their rookie contracts. The only reason we are paying more is because they are on their second contracts. You may think that is a problem as well but I just think it is rewarding players for past and future service. Apparently Hurney and Richardson don't think it is a problem either.

[panthers55]

Anytime the QB is tackled for "no gain" or a "lost" it's considered a sack, no matter what his intentions was.

That is what I thought was the case as well but I am not sure.

[CRA]

That is what I thought was the case as well but I am not sure.

Unless they are outside the pocket... those r runs, right?

[rayzor]

I will make a bet Rayzor. Friday night. Starting unit. Newton is the leadiing rusher. Again.

hmmm.....

williams: 4/25/0

stewart: 5/8/1

newton:1/0/0

lucky for you:

a preseason game? lol no thanks.

btw....i don't really care about that, i just thought it was interesting. :)

and now, this...

hee hee zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...........................

[frash.exe]

Supposedly passing teams like New Orleans are spending roughly 80% of what we are and some of their players are still on their rookie contracts. The only reason we are paying more is because they are on their second contracts. You may think that is a problem as well but I just think it is rewarding players for past and future service. Apparently Hurney and Richardson don't think it is a problem either.

yep, just like they did for Jake Delhomme.