Excellent In-Depth NFL.com Article On Our Running Game

[panthers55]

that isn't saying anderson could be as effective, just effective...correct? just because i know some will jump to that conclusion.

correct.

[Rubi]

This offense will be at its peak when all the pieces contribute. Smith, DWill, Stew, Olsen, Cam, Tolbert, LaFell and whoever else. Yes Cam will be at the center of it all...but if the other players are included/have their number called throughout the game...our O will be better than just relying on Cam to do everything...even though there will be times when Cam will need to take over (3rd downs etc.)

[frash.exe]

As we discussed in other threads, the difference between the pass/run mix for supposedly passing teams (60/40) versus our team which was a big running team (52/48) is roughly 1 pass per drive or maybe 6-8 passes/runs a game. So this whole dichotomy is more derived than real. And as you say, we have a unique system in place which isn't comparable to what WCO teams are doing, for example, so why compare??

We will take what the defense gives us and move the ball however we can. If teams focus on taking away by the pass, we can run. If they take away the run, we can pass. As you note most teams can't be one dimensional and be successful.

Our pass/run ratio last year was actually about 55.5/44.5, and that's before you account for Cam's run attempts that happened during designed passing plays that broke down. The plays called would probably be closer to 60/40.

[CRA]

This offense will be at its peak when all the pieces contribute. Smith, DWill, Stew, Olsen, Cam, Tolbert, LaFell and whoever else. Yes Cam will be at the center of it all...but if the other players are included/have their number called throughout the game...our O will be better than just relying on Cam to do everything...even though there will be times when Cam will need to take over (3rd downs etc.)

they all contributed last year. Cam just needs to fine tune some things and that comes w/ experience. We didn't rely on Cam to do it all.....

I only argue we don't need to try to scale back Cam Newton in this offense.

[panthers55]

Our pass/run ratio last year was actually about 55.5/44.5, and that's before you account for Cam's run attempts that happened during designed passing plays that broke down. The plays called would probably be closer to 60/40.

On NFL.com they listed 999 offensive plays with 519 passing attempts which calculates to 52%. Our running plays were listed as 445 which works out to 44.5%. Sacks (35 surrendered) accounted for the remainder (3.5%).

Where did you get your numbers??

http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/statistics?season=2011&team=CAR&seasonType=

[frash.exe]

um, i included sacks since they were technically passing plays.

[panthers55]

um, i included sacks since they were technically passing plays.

Do running plays which result in a tackle behind the line of scrimmage count as a sack if it run by the quarterback? What about quarterback draws off of a pass fake?? Sack or negative running play?? Just asking....................................

But yeah, those numbers reinforce my point that the difference between supposed running teams and passing teams are really small.

[frash.exe]

Do running plays which result in a tackle behind the line of scrimmage count as a sack if it run by the quarterback? What about quarterback draws off of a pass fake?? Sack or negative running play?? Just asking....................................

But yeah, those numbers reinforce my point that the difference between supposed running teams and passing teams are really small.

The NFL counts those negative plays as negative runs, not sacks.

[CRA]

The NFL counts those negative plays as negative runs, not sacks.

Well if Cam is in the pocket....it would technically be a sack wouldn't? Say a read option gets blown up?

[CRA]

But yeah, those numbers reinforce my point that the difference between supposed running teams and passing teams are really small.

I don't know...I think the gap is pretty decent between the real passing teams and real running teams. We ran great but weren't a team devoted to the run....we weren't committed like say a SF team was. Gap between a passing team like Detriot vs SF is pretty signifant.

Rounding but Det has close to close to a 20% difference in ratio

[frash.exe]

Well if Cam is in the pocket....it would technically be a sack wouldn't? Say a read option gets blown up?

the rule states that the QB needs to obviously be trying to pass

[CRA]

the rule states that the QB needs to obviously be trying to pass

But with the spread option...you don't really know if it is a run or pass intended if blown up. Well don't know if it is a QB keeper or pass. Nitpicking, not like that greatly influences those numbers.

[jayflip]

Why limit our offense to labels? Passing offense? Running offense? Balanced offense? Nope. When people say Cam can redefine the position, this is what they mean. We just might see something that we've never seen before. Ever. So let's just enjoy the ride on this one.

A running offense tailors it's game to its own strengths. Same for a passing offense. A balanced offense is overrated. We just might be the kind of offense that is so strong across the board, that we can actually have the luxury of tailoring our game towards the opposition's weaknesses, which is a beautiful thing. We can dictate the tempo.

I'm ok with that.

[frash.exe]

if the QB is in spread shotgun, takes the snap, starts running up the middle and hits a DT head on getting taken down 3 yards behind the LOS, then no, it's definitely not a sack. Just because he's in the pocket doesn't mean he's trying to pass.

It's also counted as such. I just skimmed a play by play of one of our games on NFL.com, and it didn't take me so much as a minute of searching to find a "Cam run up the middle for -4 yards" in there.