Best available Defensive ends, Cornerbacks and Defensive tackles in F.A.

[Jrock88]

ofcourse hes a difference maker

cra looks up a player profile on nfl.com all of a sudden hes not a gamechanger, hahahaha

this fuging guy

[CRA]

ofcourse hes a difference maker

cra looks up a player profile on nfl.com all of a sudden hes not a gamechanger, hahahaha

this fuging guy

Looked it up to be factually correct. Nothing more.

So people may have a broader definition of game changer than I do....which is fine. I don't lump many into that group at all. For example, I am not sure our division currently has one on D by my defintion.

Pep was the last game changer IMO on D and I would take Beason over him everyday of the week. I mean would you honestly look at Peppers' first 5 years in the league vs. Beason....and say they are both game changers or is one guy different?

[carolina-chuck]

Nobody ever accused you of being the sharpest knife in the drawer did they??

You and I are on the same page. This thread was directed to FUZZ, CRA,Kurb, First Round pick, and anyone else who is upset about Hurney giving Deangelo and Stewart the contracts that he did.

I like what he is doing in regards to keeping the core intact.However I was just hoping that maybe they could convince me and the other 86% of the huddle who does not see eye to eye with them on the subject of why we are wrong!

Also, why come into the thread and bump it if you don't like the subject? Its already 4 pages long, so obviously it still draws interest on here.

Okay, my bad. I'm on the same page as you now

[Tarheels23]

Looked it up to be factually correct. Nothing more.

So people may have a broader definition of game changer than I do....which is fine. I don't lump many into that group at all. For example, I am not sure our division currently has one on D by my defintion.

Pep was the last game changer IMO on D and I would take Beason over him everyday of the week. I mean would you honestly look at Peppers' first 5 years in the league vs. Beason....and say they are both game changers or is one guy different?

Please name 5 guys in the NFC that you consider "Game changers" that aren't DE/ 3-4 OLB's.

[CRA]

First 5 years in Carolina.

53.5 sacks, 17 FF, 3 INTs, TD

Vs

4 sacks, 3 FF, 8 INTs

Now, I don't define those as the same. Peppers was a game changer. Beason is the heart and glue of a defense. Don't get so defensive. If Beason is a game changer than Pep was something else.....so by my defintion Beason isn't that something else you are defining Peppers as.

Now how can you take issue with THIS.

[CRA]

Please name 5 guys in the NFC that you consider "Game changers" that aren't DE/ 3-4 OLB's.

I already said I don't think there are many game changers.... and in a passing league the game changers are the ones who drastically impact opposing teams which makes DL OLB and DB the game changing positions on D more than likely?

I would say Charles Woodson over the last 5 yrs if forced to name one outside those positions

[FirstRoundPick]

I think there is a noted difference when he isn't there to lead or is replaced with a scrub.

5 yrs - 4 sacks, 3 FFs, 8 INTs. Not sure we would be as eager to promote someone from very good to game changer with those numbers if he played for another team. Would we?

I think Beason has the potential....I just don't think he has yet to kick it into that next level yet. He can....but he has to do it.

Also don't forget everyone has there own definition of things.

I try not to super sensitive about our players like others, but Beason has been the best defensive player we have other than Peppers since he first stepped onto the field. He has come up with timely stops and interceptions. He hasn't been Ray Lewis prime good, but he has been a little below Willis level. I don't think there is another 4-3 middle linebacker I would rather have at this point other than Willis. Yes, I realize Willis is 3-4. So I would consider that a difference maker. But we are going off on a tangent.

[CRA]

I try not to super sensitive about our players like others, but Beason has been the best defensive player we have other than Peppers since he first stepped onto the field. He has come up with timely stops and interceptions. He hasn't been Ray Lewis prime good, but he has been a little below Willis level. I don't think there is another 4-3 middle linebacker I would rather have at this point other than Willis. Yes, I realize Willis is 3-4. So I would consider that a difference maker. But we are going off on a tangent.

Again, I am not knocking him. Not saying he isnt a great MLB.

But I dont think the game changing impact is the same with Beason as it is someone like Charles Woodson over the last 5 yrs. I also don't consider him the same type game changer Peppers was...

He doesn't meet my definition. He can meet yours. I just want you to have another tier he could reach

[FirstRoundPick]

Again, I am not knocking him. Not saying he isnt a great MLB.

But I dont think the game changing impact is the same with Beason as it is someone like Charles Woodson over the last 5 yrs. I also don't consider him the same type game changer Peppers was...

He doesn't meet my definition. He can meet yours. I just want you to have another tier he could reach

Fair enough

[Icege]

I disagree with the D not being a priority, I think RR believes he can make the D better with his background while maintaining a high flying O. We drafted a LB 9th overall and then traded up to land a DE.

JOAT, that was such an insightful and intelligent post

[4Corners]

....now watch the board overact and claim I hated on Beason.

I know the feeling. I predicted TD to be on IR by the BYE and my loyalty to the team was questioned. I'm also an idiot for using history and science to make a logical prediction.

I gotta D/A with ya though about Beason. If you don't think he's a game changer just watch the defense drastically improve when he's healthy and on the field this year. His lack of sacks can also be attributed by the schemes and play calling. When Fox was here, every one on the damn board was whining about them not blitzing enough. Numbers and stats can easily be manipulated to improve an argument.

He's a player that offensive coordinators and especially QBs have to game plan for and they've got to know where he is on the field. Beason is one of the best LBs in the NFC (and maybe NFL) man! come on you know this.

[4Corners]

Again, I am not knocking him. Not saying he isnt a great MLB.

But I dont think the game changing impact is the same with Beason as it is someone like Charles Woodson over the last 5 yrs. I also don't consider him the same type game changer Peppers was...

He doesn't meet my definition. He can meet yours. I just want you to have another tier he could reach

Woodson and Beason play different positions so the comparison isn't fair. Peppers was most certainly a game changer but was also extremely frustrating to watch. He'd have a monster game and then pull a Houdini for 3 games. Beason brings it every game. They too play different positions and have different responsibilities.

Who would you consider to be a game changing LB? I'd put Harrison/Willis/Ray Lewis right up there with Beason.

FTR; I agree with you about Beason's intangibles. No doubt one of the leaders of the team.

[chknwing]

if the defense can make goal line stands like they did against Houston and keep teams to only getting a FG, I am good with that.

[CRA]

Woodson and Beason play different positions so the comparison isn't fair. Peppers was most certainly a game changer but was also extremely frustrating to watch. He'd have a monster game and then pull a Houdini for 3 games. Beason brings it every game. They too play different positions and have different responsibilities.

Who would you consider to be a game changing LB? I'd put Harrison/Willis/Ray Lewis right up there with Beason.

FTR; I agree with you about Beason's intangibles. No doubt one of the leaders of the team.

It is a passing league. There aren't a lot of game changers at ILB. Opportunity isn't there vs other positions.

He may bring it every down....but the game changers flat out dwarf him in "big plays". They have the opportunities he simply won't get.

I mean, if you look at Pep vs Beason 5 yrs in....it is almost comical the amount of big plays Pep made. Position matters. Beason is the heart and glue...

Saying he doesn't meet my defintion on game changer isn't a knock on how he plays ILB. More a statement about the position. Also I am not saying it isn't an important position....but with the rule change team pass now. DE (or pass rushers) and CBs have the chance to alter game more...doesn't mean the steady play of LBs isn't vital.