Best available Defensive ends, Cornerbacks and Defensive tackles in F.A.

[Nine_Lives]

Harrison was drafted before Manning. But Harrison, Peyton, Wayne, Clarke, Gonzalez were all in an Indy era committed to building a passing attack. They invested heavily into building it.

Harrison and Wayne and Clarke weren't good?

They drafted Addai to compliment the pass. It didn't work. Didn't matter, in a passing league they slept walked to 10 wins.

Again, point is....you can win if you invest in the pass with a pooty ground game and unimpressive D.

It is a QB league. They need there franchise to invest in them having targets. Carolina has been riding the Steve Smith lottery for years and years. They havent committed to improving the pass game. They shop at the discount store for those needs. Greg Olsen is here bc he was a steal.

It also took Indy years to built that offense. You just listed 4 seasons worth of 1st round picks. This is only Cams 2nd season so it will take time. Harrison was good, so was Wayne but IDK how good with a lesser QB. I love Clarke but again i think Manning had a lot to do with his production. Gonzalez and Addai were nothing special as 1st round picks.

And another thing. Indy didn't bring in very many free agents. I can't recall anyone on the offense. I know you want it now but its going to take a couple more years to fill in all the pieces.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Two...?

Sweet.

Did anyone else click this thread and expect a list of players?

[carolina-chuck]

This again. Can we quit talking about this already

[4Corners]

Could very well be true.

Defense might take a turn towards takeaways more than anything.

You can still be a successful team and give up yards and too a lesser extent, points.

The defense however must get takeaways and the offense has to score touchdowns from those takeaways. We all know the offense can score points. The special teams has to be above average, too. Bad special team play has plagued this team since Michael Bates left. They lost the damn SB because of it.

Besides Beason, there are no game changers on this defense. Gamble doesn't see many balls thrown his way. Johnson is productive. Anderson is productive. But guys that can step up and make a big play...eh I don't know if they have many of those. Godfrey has shown flashes at times, maybe he can evolve into that player this season.

[pantherclaw]

How many great offenses have great defenses?

None.

During the offseason, NFL.COM, ran a piece about why great offenses don't have great defenses. I can't recall everything they mentioned. The point was, can most teams with high scoring offenses, are in turn being thrown on, that despite the defensive talent, shots are being taken by other teams to score. This ends up lowering the defensive rating.

It really is going to come down to the defense being more opportunistic. Which most aggressive defenses are.

Aggressive defenses are going to lose some gambles, while winning others.

I do miss the dominate defensive line of the past, but that doesn't mean we don't have the talent to be the defense that Rivera wants.

[carolina-chuck]

Sweet.

Did anyone else click this thread and expect a list of players?

Im wondering the same thing.

[carolina-chuck]

That we did not sign because of the money spent on running backs?

Why beat this dead horse? Well because several others are and I am trying to understand why they are up in arms over it.

*I just want to point out that Hurney has never committed more than 6 million a year to an outside free agent(and he's only given up that much once), well before Deangelo and Stewart signed their contracts.

** We also have 8 million free right now

and then finally a bonus question...whats the most money we have commited to Deangelo and Stewart in a single season(cap hit)?

Please put out a list of F.A. from last year to this year that we couldve sign and our cap space for those year. Then maybe I can believe you.

[panther4life]

Please put out a list of F.A. from last year to this year that we couldve sign and our cap space for those year. Then maybe I can believe you.

Nobody ever accused you of being the sharpest knife in the drawer did they??

You and I are on the same page. This thread was directed to FUZZ, CRA,Kurb, First Round pick, and anyone else who is upset about Hurney giving Deangelo and Stewart the contracts that he did.

I like what he is doing in regards to keeping the core intact.However I was just hoping that maybe they could convince me and the other 86% of the huddle who does not see eye to eye with them on the subject of why we are wrong!

Also, why come into the thread and bump it if you don't like the subject? Its already 4 pages long, so obviously it still draws interest on here.

[CRA]

You can still be a successful team and give up yards and too a lesser extent, points.

The defense however must get takeaways and the offense has to score touchdowns from those takeaways. We all know the offense can score points. The special teams has to be above average, too. Bad special team play has plagued this team since Michael Bates left. They lost the damn SB because of it.

Besides Beason, there are no game changers on this defense. Gamble doesn't see many balls thrown his way. Johnson is productive. Anderson is productive. But guys that can step up and make a big play...eh I don't know if they have many of those. Godfrey has shown flashes at times, maybe he can evolve into that player this season.

Beason is a great leader and has great intangibles.....But on the field, I am not sure he he is really a game changer. More reliable and a consistant type guy. IMO. More a steady force and leader.

Beason only has 4 career sacks, 3 career FFs. He does have 8 picks....but those aren't really game changing label type numbers.

....now watch the board overact and claim I hated on Beason.

[Jrock88]

beason not a game changer?? trolololol

[CRA]

Nobody ever accused you of being the sharpest knife in the drawer did they??

You and I are on the same page. This thread was directed to FUZZ, CRA,Kurb, First Round pick, and anyone else who is upset about Hurney giving Deangelo and Stewart the contracts that he did.

I like what he is doing in regards to keeping the core intact.However I was just hoping that maybe they could convince me and the other 86% of the huddle who does not see eye to eye with them on the subject of why we are wrong!

Also, why come into the thread and bump it if you don't like the subject? Its already 4 pages long, so obviously it still draws interest on here.

Difference is....you choose to looks at the situation that since there isn't a specific player we could bring in instead of paying a RB.....that paying the RB equals the move to make.

Not paying the RBs isn't as simplistic as well who should we of brought in instead.

[CRA]

beason not a game changer?? trolololol

What makes someone worthy of being labeled a game changer? There aren't a lot IMO. Beason is a stud. Heart of the D and very consistant. But I am not sure I would call him a game changer....he hasn't logged enough of the big plays. More steady than anything....and steady at his level of play isnt something easy to find. That isn't Beason bashing .

[FirstRoundPick]

I think Beason is a difference maker

[CRA]

I think Beason is a difference maker

I think there is a noted difference when he isn't there to lead or is replaced with a scrub.

5 yrs - 4 sacks, 3 FFs, 8 INTs, 0 TDs. Not sure we would be as eager to promote someone from very good to game changer with those numbers if he played for another team. Would we?

I think Beason has the potential....I just don't think he has yet to kick it into that next level yet. He can....but he has to do it.

Also don't forget everyone has there own definition of things.