Best available Defensive ends, Cornerbacks and Defensive tackles in F.A.

[Nine_Lives]

Worked for the Colts bc they invested in passing talent

1st round picks for Peyton to throw to drafted by Indy.

Harrison

Wayne

Clarke

Gonzalez.

1st round rec threats drafted by Carolina? That Cam has? None, they drafted to pound the rock and play great D. Our roster is still heavily slanted that way.

They have their Harrison and the Clarke. (Smith and Olsen) but the bigger question is. Was it the receivers or the quarterback? I believe it was Manning that made good receivers look great. IF Cam is everything his fans think he is he should be just fine with Smith, Olsen, Lafell, Murphy and a deep set of runningbacks. For Panther fans sake you hope the team is more like the Manning Colts and not the Fouts Chargers.

[panthers55]

Honestly man, Kearse and Edwards should be the starters at DT.

At CB, Captain shouldn't be a starter obviously and if Norman, Hogan, or Butler could step in, that would make a significant difference in our pass defense.

LB corps is probably the best in the league if they can stay healthy. Sure, they could've brought in some competition at CB and DT, but there are capable guys on the roster. Safety should be somewhat better with Nakamura in there, but Godfrey still hasn't proven to be a consistent performer, so we'll see there.

I like what we have, I just think it comes down to playing the right guys.

Agree with many of your points but lets remember than Kearse is suspended for 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. Not sure that makes him better than Hardy at this point.

[CRA]

They have their Harrison and the Clarke. (Smith and Olsen) but the bigger question is. Was it the receivers or the quarterback? I believe it was Manning that made good receivers look great. IF Cam is everything his fans think he is he should be just fine with Smith, Olsen, Lafell, Murphy and a deep set of runningbacks. For Panther fans sake you hope the team is more like the Manning Colts and not the Fouts Chargers.

Neither Smith nor Olsen were 1st round draft picks. There last first round rec investment was in 1997. Indy invested more in the pass game than simply hoping Manning would make guys look good. He was winning those games with no D throwing to highly invested players Indy brought in.

We are still trying to find a #2 WR when we should be trying to find Smitty's replacement. Cam need playmakers to throw to...not hand it off to.

[Marguide]

Agree with many of your points but lets remember than Kearse is suspended for 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. Not sure that makes him better than Hardy at this point.

That's Neblett, not Kearse.

[La Pantera]

Agree with many of your points but lets remember than Kearse is suspended for 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. Not sure that makes him better than Hardy at this point.

Neblett is who you're thinking of.

[Nine_Lives]

I believe Harrison was drafted before Manning and just because they were drafted in the 1st round doesn't make them any good. Also if i recall Addai was drafted high so their coaching staff also saw the need for a solid runningback. IMO Manning was the driving force behind the success of many of his teammates. Cam could very well do the same.

Quick! other than Freeney and Mathis name another key Colt defensive player from the pass ten years.

[CRA]

I believe Harrison was drafted before Manning and just because they were drafted in the 1st round doesn't make them any good. Also if i recall Addai was drafted high so their coaching staff also saw the need for a solid runningback. IMO Manning was the driving force behind the success of many of his teammates. Cam could very well do the same.

Quick! other than Freeney and Mathis name another key Colt defensive player from the pass ten years.

Harrison was drafted before Manning. But Harrison, Peyton, Wayne, Clarke, Gonzalez were all in an Indy era committed to building a passing attack. They invested heavily into building it.

Harrison and Wayne and Clarke weren't good?

They drafted Addai to compliment the pass. It didn't work. Didn't matter, in a passing league they slept walked to 10 wins.

Again, point is....you can win if you invest in the pass with a pooty ground game and unimpressive D.

It is a QB league. They need there franchise to invest in them having targets. Carolina has been riding the Steve Smith lottery for years and years. They havent committed to improving the pass game. They shop at the discount store for those needs. Greg Olsen is here bc he was a steal.

[CRA]

In todays league history proves you can get by with a poo defense, statistitically but if your offense is great you can win. We added a great player on d this year in Kuechly we should just be thankful for that alone.

Passing offense, not rushing. Can be both but recent history shows if your D is pooty you make up the difference in the air

[Rip Saw]

Worst team last year for defense went to the SB - not that that makes me any more comfortable with our defense.

[La Pantera]

In todays league history proves you can get by with a poo defense, statistitically but if your offense is great you can win. We added a great player on d this year in Kuechly we should just be thankful for that alone.

Kind of right. Take GBs D last year for example. They gave up a ton of yards, but they had a lot of takeaways. The opposing offenses were trying to play catch up and had to go pass heavy. You got to get takeaways,nowadays because offenses are more potent.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Starting d gave up 6 points. Just saying...

How many turnovers did it produce?

[Brooklyn Bully]

Starting d gave up 6 points. Just saying...

Vanilla offenses are no test for anything a D does.

That said, I love Stew. Glad he's here for a while. But in a passing league, in which both his and D-Lo's numbers have dropped, it is a bit hard to not grimace at the fact that two RBs will take up so much cap space. A RB and WR combo would be much better to understand. Not one of us on this board knows what our O will do this season, but it's hard to imagine us going back to the Double Trouble philosophy Fox had.

We'll see.

[La Pantera]

How many turnovers did it produce?

Two...?

[panthers55]

That's Neblett, not Kearse.

Not enough sleep last night after the game. Must still be a little slow.................