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Top QBs: Last 16 years


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you don't think that hurney (bobby beatheard, jr) couldn't swing a 1st rounder if we wanted? we still have a 1st in 2011...

plus, what position on the offense, a rather well stacked offense, would be a higher priority? TE?

although we have to watch next year to see, i think that if pep goes we would be fine with brown/johnson.

a premiere DT...that would be nice but if long term QB is as high a need as a DT and we have a QB more in reach, do we not go for the QB?

re: "considering you see nearly the same % of elite QBs come from round 6 and later than round 1"

compare the number of rd 6 or UDFAs taken with the number of 1st rounders and what has the better rate of success?

can't tell you about the UDFAs but comparing the 1st and 6th rounds

since 1998:

1st round

33 taken

10 probowlers (33%)

5 multiple probowls (15%)

23 starting multiple years (70%)

6th round

24 drafted

4 probowlers (17%)

4 multiple probowlers (17%)

4 starting multiple years (17%)

rounds 2-5 are abysmal and the 7th equally so.

not to put too much weight on the probowl but QBs who go there are usually pretty good. imo, it's a good bar to set concerning QBs.

no desperation and drafting one next year wouldn't be showing it. it would be taking advantage of a great class of QBs.

what i am saying is QB of the future is a concern. it is the weakest position on our offense...on an offense as good as this one that isn't a horrible thing to say. if you are saying it's the weakest position on the 49ers...that's pretty bad.

I don't see where I mentioned the '49ers at all...

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1st round

33 taken

10 probowlers (33%)

5 multiple probowls (15%)

23 starting multiple years (70%)

Honestly, that's the biggest problem I see with round 1 QBs. No matter how bad they are, your team is usually gonna stick with them as the starter for 2..3..4 years, just because of the contract/investment. Whereas an UDFA, you can bring in, if he sucks, you just cut him and bring someone else in. You don't have to suffer through 2-3 losing seasons with him as the starter.

Like I said before, best case scenario for the Panthers: Moore is our future QB and we save our high draft picks to improve other areas of the team.

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Honestly, that's the biggest problem I see with round 1 QBs. No matter how bad they are, your team is usually gonna stick with them as the starter for 2..3..4 years, just because of the contract/investment. Whereas an UDFA, you can bring in, if he sucks, you just cut him and bring someone else in. You don't have to suffer through 2-3 losing seasons with him as the starter.

Like I said before, best case scenario for the Panthers: Moore is our future QB and we save our high draft picks to improve other areas of the team.

and here is where you fail to see that no matter what, it takes time and a commitment to develop any QB, doesn't even have to be a first rounder. It'll take a commitment to Matt Moore, if he gets cut, or doesn't work out, the cycle repeats itself.

What do you think our best bet is to just hope for the next Delhomme every single time we're out in the market for a QB? You think that's how teams field consistent good QB play? Just picking up career backup veterans all the time?

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We're also forgetting another variable in this equation. Where were these teams before these QB's came in? It's one thing to pull a Matt Ryan and go from doormat team to the playoffs, and it's a whole other thing to have a team that is on the cusp of a championship, so to speak, and then a QB comes in that puts them over the hump. I mean, we all know football is the ultimate team game, and a great defense and a powerful running game can make a QB put up way better numbers.

Defense shuts down opponent's offense quickly, keeping opponent's defense on the field longer to get tired. Running game causes more 1 on 1's with receivers, allowing an above average QB to look outstanding.

Notice the string of QB's to go to pro bowls while throwing to T.O

Garcia, McNabb, Romo. If the AFC wasn't so deep in established QB talent, it wouldn't surprise me to see Edwards there (in the probowl) next year.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of QB's that make their receivers look better too, but it's very hard to establish that line of where the whole team makes the QB better, and when the QB makes the whole team better. That's why the NFL has such parody I think year in and year out, a couple guys get hurt on one team, plus some unforeseen talent rising up on another team, makes the Cowboys miss the playoffs and makes the Dolphins and Falcons go to the playoffs.

Just my $.02

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and here is where you fail to see that no matter what, it takes time and a commitment to develop any QB, doesn't even have to be a first rounder. It'll take a commitment to Matt Moore, if he gets cut, or doesn't work out, the cycle repeats itself.

What do you think our best bet is to just hope for the next Delhomme every single time we're out in the market for a QB? You think that's how teams field consistent good QB play? Just picking up career backup veterans all the time?

:iagree:You are absolutely right, we need to eventually draft a QB in the early rounds, or any round for that matter. You build teams through the draft look at the Patriots, they drafted Brady in the later rounds but they still drafted a QB, instead of like Raging Bull said picking up a career backup veteran.

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RB I don't fail to see anything. I know it takes time to develop a QB. The difference being that a late-round/UDFA you have much less invested in, so it's easy to cut ties once its obvious he isn't the answer. With a 1st rounder that rarely happens. I've seen it play out time and time again. Teams will stick with a bad QB way longer than they should, just because of the contract/investment of a 1st round pick.

You think that's how teams field consistent good QB play? Just picking up career backup veterans all the time?

When the hell did I ever say anything like that. I even said that getting a QB round 1 is a legit strategy, although comes with a bigger risk. What you fail to acknowledge is that developing lower rated QB talent can also work just as well, and has distinct advantages. You're really being an ass here and are about 2 seconds away from ignore.

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:iagree:You are absolutely right, we need to eventually draft a QB in the early rounds, or any round for that matter. You build teams through the draft look at the Patriots, they drafted Brady in the later rounds but they still drafted a QB, instead of like Raging Bull said picking up a career backup veteran.

I just don't have convidence in our scouting people to be able to find a franchise QB in late rounds, but thats me.

RB I don't fail to see anything. I know it takes time to develop a QB. The difference being that a late-round/UDFA you have much less invested in, so it's easy to cut ties once its obvious he isn't the answer. With a 1st rounder that rarely happens. I've seen it play out time and time again. Teams will stick with a bad QB way longer than they should, just because of the contract/investment of a 1st round pick.

When the hell did I ever say anything like that. I even said that getting a QB round 1 is a legit strategy, although comes with a bigger risk. What you fail to acknowledge is that developing lower rated QB talent can also work just as well, and has distinct advantages. You're really being an ass here and are about 2 seconds away from ignore.

:nono: careful.

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I just don't have convidence in our scouting people to be able to find a franchise QB in late rounds, but thats me.

I do, but whether we can develop that QB is another story.

And sorry, not trying to make this into smack, but some of this stuff is getting on my nerves. I should probably just put him on ignore.

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you don't think that hurney (bobby beatheard, jr) couldn't swing a 1st rounder if we wanted? we still have a 1st in 2011...

plus, what position on the offense, a rather well stacked offense, would be a higher priority? TE?

Don't know whether we need an offensive or defensive player next year. Lets see what happens with Peppers and how the D line does this year. Seems a bit premature to talk about what our biggest need will be next year.

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Don't know whether we need an offensive or defensive player next year. Lets see what happens with Peppers and how the D line does this year. Seems a bit premature to talk about what our biggest need will be next year.

True, not to mention we don't know where we'll be picking, what players will be there, the depth at each position we need, ect ect.

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I just don't have convidence in our scouting people to be able to find a franchise QB in late rounds, but thats me.

:nono: careful.

You mean we're getting called out for calling somebody an ass and LBF is still here, just sayin'...

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