pff rb age of decline

[rayzor]

More big picture than that....not about getting on FA in place of Williams.

That is like saying Redskin fans shouldn't of complained when they signed Haynesworth.....not there money, who cares.

very different situation, though. williams has a great attitude and has always done what was asked of him with excellence. haynesworth was just a bum. i don't remember a lot of complaining when he was signed, but when they figured out how much of a fat lazy beached whale he was, then the complaining really started.

[redbuddha]

I really think Tauren Poole will be one of our running backs replacements. Not this season but in the next two.

[CRA]

very different situation, though. williams has a great attitude and has always done what was asked of him with excellence. haynesworth was just a bum. i don't remember a lot of complaining when he was signed, but when they figured out how much of a fat lazy beached whale he was, then the complaining really started.

So then the not my money, who cares.....is a situational defense?

I realize the scenarios are vastly different. Redskins made a 1 ye freak with lots of question marks the highest paid defender in the NFL in a scheme he didn't even fit.....lots of complaints were made about that one.

I dont want to get too off point....just dont like the not my money arguement.

My issue isn't so much a Williams issue, it just gets taken out on him. Love the guy. Need more like him.

[thefuzz]

not my money. don't care.

now as far as cap implications go, i'm not all that concerned about that either...maybe we could have picked up a couple defensive studs in FA with the money he got paid, but when have we done that before? that's just not our modus operandi.

apparently they have the cap money as-is to do what they want. imo, what's more important isn't the production, but the damage they can do when they have the ball in their hands. yeah, the money is obscene for how little they carry the ball, but even just them being as dangerous as they are and being on the field makes things better for the offense because they are someone defenses always have to account for.

This is where me and most of the Hurney lovers split ways.

We need help at CB, DT, DE, OT, and S.

Instead of getting some players in here to fill those positions (way more important to us winning) we decide to pay a RB top dog numbers for him to rush 155 times in the payday year.

It's just stupid.

[CRA]

This is where me and most of the Hurney lovers split ways.

We need help at CB, DT, DE, OT, and S.

Instead of getting some players in here to fill those positions (way more important to us winning) we decide to pay a RB top dog numbers for him to rush 155 times in the payday year.

It's just stupid.

Yep we need starters and better depth all over this roster. Don't pay for a luxury RB, don't give everyone you like a super super deal and keep them with good ones.....and magically you find yourself sitting with too much cap room/cash to just be in a position to save it for draft pick signings and emergency replacements when guys get hurt heading into a season.

[rayzor]

This is where me and most of the Hurney lovers split ways.

We need help at CB, DT, DE, OT, and S.

Instead of getting some players in here to fill those positions (way more important to us winning) we decide to pay a RB top dog numbers for him to rush 155 times in the payday year.

It's just stupid.

i agree that we should be more proactive in getting help at those positions. i haven't liked that much at all. i don't think, however, that williams contract would have interfered too much with us addressing that adequately. this past year it may have been a factor, but they honestly didn't know what they had here and i think they were more interested in seeing what actually needed addressed and what they have on hand.

i also don't think the intention was to have williams run just 155 times last year either. i think that not only was that contract showing him how much we appreciate having him here, but also insurance for cam in case he was going to struggle or at least slow to grow. if he had struggled as a passer or as a QB they were probably going to have to run the ball a lot more, just like is the case with any rookie QB.

williams wasn't a luxury until cam proved to be ahead of schedule. right now i consider him and stewart essentially luxuries that we can afford and i really don't have a problem with that.

if the coaching staff and FO did see a need to address some of those positions that we are concerned about, they have the money to use on it. they haven't. that leads me to believe that even if they didn't have that williams contract hanging over their heads that they still wouldn't have been more active than they have been. i think they feel good about who they have right now and with the little bit of adding on they have done. until proven otherwise i'm willing to give them the benefit of a doubt without complaining.

[thefuzz]

Do you see Indy paying a crazy amount of money to a running back this year?

How about Washington?

It was a luxury that we didn't need, do you guys forget that we have Stew sitting back there?

I also get crazy mad when people talk about everyone having a two back system.....yea they do for the most part, but not 2 first round draft picks, and certainly not in addition to Tolbert.

Hurney just overvalues that position in today's NFL....that's it. I love the players, but not the picks and payments.

P.S. DWill's contract is very much keeping us from adding pieces. We settle for second rate players playing along side Gamble, Johnson, and at the S position altogether.

[CRA]

Do you see Indy paying a crazy amount of money to a running back this year?

How about Washington?

It was a luxury that we didn't need, do you guys forget that we have Stew sitting back there?

I also get crazy mad when people talk about everyone having a two back system.....yea they do for the most part, but not 2 first round draft picks, and certainly not in addition to Tolbert.

Hurney just overvalues that position in today's NFL....that's it. I love the players, but not the picks and payments.

P.S. DWill's contract is very much keeping us from adding pieces. We settle for second rate players playing along side Gamble, Johnson, and at the S position altogether.

Well I had no beef with Hurney over valuing the postion when our HC was stuck in 1970....

Problem was only when Fox was shown the door....we should of rolled with our young 1st round stud RB the likes of which most teams don't have.

[rayzor]

P.S. DWill's contract is very much keeping us from adding pieces. We settle for second rate players playing along side Gamble, Johnson, and at the S position altogether.

they have money, they aren't spending it.

that money could be keeping them from adding pieces if they had any real intention to do so, but the lack of activity when they have the cap room would have to lead you to believe that they just don't want to add any high end FAs.

[CRA]

they have money, they aren't spending it.

that money could be keeping them from adding pieces if they had any real intention to do so, but the lack of activity when they have the cap room would have to lead you to believe that they just don't want to add any high end FAs.

You don't think it is wise to have that sitting there? You know in case poo hits the fan and one of our extremely thin and important spots recieves a season ending injury before the season starts?

So since we have some cap room.....and aren't blowing it with an entire camp and preseason ahead of us that means Carolina would make no use of more cap room?

[rayzor]

You don't think it is wise to have that sitting there? You know in case poo hits the fan and one of our extremely thin and important spots recieves a season ending injury before the season starts?

So since we have some cap room.....and aren't blowing it with an entire camp and preseason ahead of us that means Carolina would make no use of more cap room?

no, i think it's wise to have it there. i also take that as a sign that they aren't as worried as some in here are about those thin positions.

if they felt there was a more immediate need then i feel it would be addressed now rather than hanging on to the money.

i'm also not living under the delusion that they would have been more active in FA, esp., in regards to high end players because, again, that just isn't their MO.

[CRA]

no, i think it's wise to have it there. i also take that as a sign that they aren't as worried as some in here are about those thin positions.

if they felt there was a more immediate need then i feel it would be addressed now rather than hanging on to the money.

i'm also not living under the delusion that they would have been more active in FA, esp., in regards to high end players because, again, that just isn't their MO.

and I never claim they would be targeting high profile players with more cap room.....but depth at certain spots has been a joke as have been our starters at certain spots.

Some middle of the road players at key spots, both as starting competition and depth wise....would impact this team IMO. And Carolina has always been about picking up non sexy guys that can fill areas of need in FA.

Depth is an overlooked aspect on this squad in recent years. A Charles Johnson or Chris Gamble goes down....and we are throwing poo on the wall hoping something sticks. DANGEROUSLY scary in today's NFL IMO. Those positions are too important and we keep hoping draft picks can aid us today. Then at important spots, stacked at positions of less importance. Big names aren't the only way to help. But we are 3 deep at RB, all 3 could start...and we are still looking for someone to just not suck at several starting spots on D.

[rayzor]

i agree about the depth. i just don't think that williams contract is having the effect others do. they could make moves if they wanted to.

[thefuzz]

i agree about the depth. i just don't think that williams contract is having the effect others do. they could make moves if they wanted to.

So you are saying that a teams backfield should be taking up roughly 10% of a teams entire cap space for a season?

Seems legit.