Rivera expects Bell to start at right tackle (Also other Tidbits)

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Jeremy Trublood of Tampa He gave up four sacks, five hits and 50 hurries. In 962 snaps.

Jamal Brown nine sacks, five hits and 29 hurries. In 785 snaps.

And theres more then those two. As bad as he was, you could do worse.

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Rookies...

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Right tackle we are 24th though lol.

Though I think he did a fine job in the run game, what he struggled in was pass protection and his dumbass penalites.

He was flagged four fourteen penalties last year (third most in the NFL, three were declined).

See CRA's post for his pass protection stats.

[MasterAwesome]

Well that's why the chart is confusing...I thought it was talking about who we ran it towards (along the d-line) rather than who we ran the ball behind on our o-line. If it's talking about our o-line...then I don't understand the "Right End" and "Left End" parts. Is that for running sweeps or pitches? Or running behind the TE or WRs? I thought by "Right Tackle" it might have meant the Right DT...but maybe you're right. Either way, hopefully that gives a statistical perspective on how Bell played...

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Well that's why the chart is confusing...I thought it was talking about who we ran it towards (along the d-line) rather than who we ran the ball behind on our o-line. If it's talking about our o-line...then I don't understand the "Right End" and "Left End" parts. Is that for running sweeps or pitches? Or running behind the TE or WRs? I thought by "Right Tackle" it might have meant the Right DT...but maybe you're right. Either way, hopefully that gives a statistical perspective on how Bell played...

I have no idea as, I was just throwing it out there.

Right tackle may be between the right guard and right tackle as where right end could be off the far shoulder of the right tackle. Just a guess.

[CRA]

Did I ask you?

So in other words, despite your bold stance....you can't name 2 he was better than?

[CRA]

Jeremy Trublood of Tampa He gave up four sacks, five hits and 50 hurries. In 962 snaps.

Jamal Brown nine sacks, five hits and 29 hurries. In 785 snaps.

And theres more then those two. As bad as he was, you could do worse.

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How do you figure someone like Trublood was worse?

Bell spent less time on the field.....yet had more sacks, penalties, etc. Maybe if you posted Bell and his info side by side it would help. Bell wasnt better....nothing supports that claim that I see

[csx]

Trueblood is perennially the worst tackle. I can't believe he still starts.

[panthers55]

Tyron Smith gave up 21 hurries and 1 hit as opposed to Bell who had 24 hurries and seven hits while playing over 200 less snaps then Smith.

Bell was better then several players. But Smith wasnt one of them.

Hurries are very subjective and not even an official NFL stat. Many of the hurries against all of our players were from Newton holding the ball so long. Even then when you add the extra sacks which would be hits or hurries with Newton, they were pretty close. Smith was like Bell, a rookie who made more than his share of mistakes while he learned. The question with snaps was not how many they had but how many pass attempts they were in for, A tackle that is in for 700 snaps but 250 pass attempts has the same opportunity for mistakes than a guy who is in for 500 attempts and 252 pass attempts. Do you have the pass breakouts for each so we can somewhat compare apples to apples. I do know we ran the ball more than the Cowboys and they threw more.

Either way the point was that he was substantially different when everything is factored in compared to a top 10 pick, meaning most all rookies struggle.,

[panthers55]

So in other words, despite your bold stance....you can't name 2 he was better than?

Smith was close as I mentioned earlier. and you can add Orlando Franklin to the mix. Bell was right there with both of them. Not using these 2, who was better? I can think of 1, Marcus Gilbert. Problem is there weren't that many right tackles who started all year.

[panthers55]

I have a problem with hurries anyway as a stat. Unless the ball was intercepted or thrown away because of the hurries, many times hurries don't affect the play anyway. It is kind of like "almosts", they don't really count if they don't affect the play. Hits at least can get in a quarterback's head and sacks are obvious.

[CRA]

Smith was close as I mentioned earlier. and you can add Orlando Franklin to the mix. Bell was right there with both of them. Not using these 2, who was better? I can think of 1, Marcus Gilbert. Problem is there weren't that many right tackles who started all year.

Well, I asked for two he was better than....not two that were equally bad. Those existed.

Two that he was clearly better than .....that is a tough answer to find.

Bell is like many Panthers...my dislike for him is not what it appears. I just can't handle the over the top statements about guys that isn't true. Good story, good guy, potential to develop is there bc he isn't an Otah type clown....but his RT play was there among the very worst in the league. But he wasn't suppose to be much better than he was given his circumstances.

Bell has a long way to go...hopefully he makes big strides in pass protection this year.

[csx]

I have a problem with hurries anyway as a stat. Unless the ball was intercepted or thrown away because of the hurries, many times hurries don't affect the play anyway. It is kind of like "almosts", they don't really count if they don't affect the play. Hits at least can get in a quarterback's head and sacks are obvious.

What if it simply led to a poor throw since they were "hurried"? That certainly affects the play.

[panthers55]

What if it simply led to a poor throw since they were "hurried"? That certainly affects the play.

Poor throw is very selective as well. How many times do guys make poor throws when they aren't pressured?? You would have to somehow determine if the poor throw was a function of the hurry or other reasons like good coverage, poor weather conditions (wet ball or very cold weather), or the QB is a poor thrower like The Golden Calf of Bristol. That is why hurries are not necessarily a great measure.

[csx]

Poor throw is very selective as well. How many times do guys make poor throws when they aren't pressured?? You would have to somehow determine if the poor throw was a function of the hurry or other reasons like good coverage, poor weather conditions (wet ball or very cold weather), or the QB is a poor thrower like The Golden Calf of Bristol. That is why hurries are not necessarily a great measure.

I don't believe the idea is to count the number or plays that are affected it's to count the number of plays that a linemen lets his guy beat him. It's not science but it's a subjective look. Coaches grade every single play too and would certainly be in a subjective manner.