Someone has to post it

[The Faceless]

cool it's this thread...again. we didn't beat this horse dead enough, let's necro some poo up and make sure we all get our licks in this time

[La Pantera]

Again that is your opinion not Rivera's. He has said we are fine at DT and DE. he thinks what we brought in at safety is fine and he is optimistic we will find a 2nd corner with Norman, Munnerlyn or Hogan with whoever doesn't make it there swinging to nickel.

Again until you are the coach this is just your rantings which go against everything the GM and coach believe to be true. So no matter if we had 50 million to spend we won't be signing anyone to a big contract. We might bring in someone cut from another team at one of those positions if it adds depth or can help us but we won't be spending big. So again signing Williams is not keeping us from signing depth or a starter. No matter how you want to spin it you are wrong and the fact we have 9 million and we aren't spending its proof of it. If we had big needs and intended to spent it we surely would and worry about the cap next year.

So last week it was they are just a guy and this week they are just bodies. LOL

There is almost no point, CRA is oblivious to the reality that is the Panthers. He has completely ignored the draftees and FAs we've brought in to compete in those positions. He also doesnt understand that we don't spend big money on FAs and that we build through the draft and pay our drafted core player....

[klumme]

Not this poo again... So have we been around how shitty Martin and Godfrey are yet? It could catapult this thread to 500 post in no time with CRA having 400 of them.

[CRA]

What does what other teams or GMs think have to do the Panthers? I thought this was a Panthers discussion and site not a general discussion about the league.

Given we made it through last year with a ton of injuries with less cap room than we have right now, I doubt there will be a problem. If a guy goes down due to injury and his contract is not guaranteed against injury then you don't have to pay him all of the yearly salary. If he is guaranteed against injury then you owe him the base salary. You can reach an injury settlement which doesn't count against the cap. Base contracts for IR players do usually count against the cap unless the contract is a split contract where only 50% counts against the cap if they go on IR.

But no if Gamble or CJ goes down we won't sign a high priced free agent and spend a ton of money. We would move up one of the backups and elevate a practice squad player from our squad or someone else's. So again what you are saying might be your wishes but it doesn't follow with the Panther's philosophy or practice in the past few years.

What other GMs think has to do with what is important overall in today's game....

I never said we would sign a high priced FA if CJ or Gamble went down......but being so comically thin and weak in certain areas means we would bring in a couple "Ron Edwards" type guys.

Next man up doesn't work at all positions that well.....especially important ones where you don't even have a starter at the opposite side.

That money is insurance....sitting to see if something bad happens.

[CRA]

ya have to pay to keep talent. i know, in your fantasies he would have stayed for peanuts, or ya would have replaced him with a lesser of a player.

Most of the great offenses have had great running backs.

You also seem to forget, or ignore the fact the Ron wants an offense that can beat ya on the ground and tbrough the air.

You can't improve a team by taking away one of it's strengths.

Of course you have to pay to keep talent....

Issue has always been paying both Stewart and Williams featured RB money....is not a good investment in today's NFL.

Not a knock on their talent as individuals

Most great offenses have had great RBs? Plural? In today's passing league.... the Pats, Manning Colts, Packers, etc would all disagree. They have done it without one elite RB. That was the formula....not anymore.

Last 7 years.....how many teams with a bottom 3 rushing attack have made the Superbowl vs top 3

[CRA]

Again that is your opinion not Rivera's. He has said we are fine at DT and DE. he thinks what we brought in at safety is fine and he is optimistic we will find a 2nd corner with Norman, Munnerlyn or Hogan with whoever doesn't make it there swinging to nickel.

Again until you are the coach this is just your rantings which go against everything the GM and coach believe to be true. So no matter if we had 50 million to spend we won't be signing anyone to a big contract. We might bring in someone cut from another team at one of those positions if it adds depth or can help us but we won't be spending big. So again signing Williams is not keeping us from signing depth or a starter. No matter how you want to spin it you are wrong and the fact we have 9 million and we aren't spending its proof of it. If we had big needs and intended to spent it we surely would and worry about the cap next year.

So last week it was they are just a guy and this week they are just bodies. LOL

Rivera isn't the one who drafted 2 1st round RBs in 3 yrs.....so I don't think it is fair to assume it is his idea to pay 2 1st round RBs featured RB money in a 3 yr span if it occurs.

This whole thing was setup prior to Rivera.

Teams are not building themselves like that in this passing league....nothing suggests Ron, who was willing to live or die with Cam, when he could of played it safe is of that mindset.

[panther4life]

Of course you have to pay to keep talent....

Issue has always been paying both Stewart and Williams featured RB money....is not a good investment in today's NFL.

Not a knock on their talent as individuals

Stews only making 1.3 this year and roughly the same last year. You act like we let them become free agents the same year and have 100 million committed to both of them.

[CRA]

Stews only making 1.3 this year and roughly the same last year. You act like we let them become free agents the same year and have 100 million committed to both of them.

No one has issue with Stewarts current money. Not what this is about.

Always been about after 2012....and being smart about it. About putting the overall team on the best path in the process.

[La Pantera]

Its a passing league guyz.. didn't you know?!?! How many playoff teams last season didnt invest in a strong run game?...two? NE and GB. Giants weren't great, but they did depend on it to open up the pass. They also invested a 1st to fix that situation.

[CRA]

Its a passing league guyz.. didn't you know?!?! How many playoff teams last season didnt invest in a strong run game?...two? NE and GB. Giants weren't great, but they did depend on it to open up the pass. They also invested a 1st to fix that situation.

Good point, the 32nd ranked rushing attack did win the Superbowl last year.....and they just picked up a cheap rookie RB who they won't make a rich man when his rookie deal is up...

Same team that told there RB Bradshaw to go find a team to pay him big bucks if he wanted it before the season started.....

[La Pantera]

Good point, the 32nd ranked rushing attack did win the Superbowl last year.....and they just picked up a cheap rookie RB who they won't make a rich man when his rookie deal is up...

Same team that told there RB Bradshaw to go find a team to pay him big bucks if he wanted it before the season started.....

They ranked 32nd because their backs sucked! That's why they drafted one in the first. The Giants still ran better in the playoffs, than the regular season. The run game opened up the pass. The year the Saints* won they had a very good run game. You have to balanced.

[CRA]

They ranked 32nd because their backs sucked! That's why they drafted one in the first. The Giants still ran better in the playoffs, than the regular season. The run game opened up the pass. The year the Saints*** won they had a very good run game. You have to balanced.

Run game sucked....and they won the Superbowl. There actually have been a lot of 32nd ranked passing teams male the Superbowl in recent history. No number 1 ranked rushing teams.

And yes, you want balance....and now they have a CHEAP addition to get them balanced again.

[pantherclaw]

Of course you have to pay to keep talent....

Issue has always been paying both Stewart and Williams featured RB money....is not a good investment in today's NFL.

Not a knock on their talent as individuals

Most great offenses have had great RBs? Plural? In today's passing league.... the Pats, Manning Colts, Packers, etc would all disagree. They have done it without one elite RB. That was the formula....not anymore.

Last 7 years.....how many teams with a bottom 3 rushing attack have made the Superbowl vs top 3

Joe Montana had a hell of a running back.

Elway had a hell od a running back. The Chargers have alwaya had good running backs.

The Packers offense has good running backs. The year their offense stumbled was when they lost their starting rb for the season. Running backs are important to todays offenses. The Panthers just has it as a bigger priority. That's cause they learned from their mistake of not having enough good running backs the last time they were in the nfc championship game.

Btw, Williams got his contract extension while Ron was here.

[CRA]

Joe Montana had a hell of a running back.

Elway had a hell od a running back. The Chargers have alwaya had good running backs.

The Packers offense has good running backs. The year their offense stumbled was when they lost their starting rb for the season. Running backs are important to todays offenses. The Panthers just has it as a bigger priority. That's cause they learned from their mistake of not having enough good running backs the last time they were in the nfc championship game.

Btw, Williams got his contract extension while Ron was here.

Seems silly yo try to compare the Elway era to today's game....rules have made it a different game. Much different one than since we made a Superbowl appearance.

Out of curiosity, what Packer team are you refering to? The recent one with the Grant injury?

And yes, Hurney extended Williams when Ron walked in the door. That isn't really a Ron move now is it....what happens with Stewart Ron will have a bigger influence on