FA projected losses over next 2 years

[top dawg]

Loyalty is over-rated and not a part of the buisness contracts. Did Beason give back money because he was hurt last year? Did he give us a hometown discount?? No to both. Players get as much as they can and we pay them as little as we can. That is business. Loyalty isn't really a huge factor or we wouldn't have cut guys like Hoover in 2010.

Loyalty may be over-rated in the NFL because of the physical toll that employees and employers alike have to take into account when balanced against relatively short contracts and/or careers, but there is an argument that if there were more loyalty in business, then productivity, security and happiness would markedly increase. Just sayin'.

[PhillyB]

Can you name an example of Hurney front loading a contract? I can't think of one. Hurney does ok with the cap but not great. Sure we made room by cutting Travelle Wharton but the result was us using a 2nd round pick to fill his slot. Had we been smarter with the cap and kept Travelle we could have filled another need. Deangelo Williams is not safe. There is no way he finishes his contract, watch for that about the time they resign Cam.

travelle wharton was a terrible pass blocker and cutting him was the right move

[jtnc]

Tell me one guy we paid early. Smith?? No. Jake?? No. Peppers?? No. Williams??? No Stewart?? No Johnson?? No. The only way a guy gets paid early is if you tear up the old contract or he threatens to sit out if you don't pay him like Chris Johnson did. We aren't going to give him less by signing him early so there is no reason to do it and we never have.

what makes you think we do it now?? We won't let him get to free agency but there is no reason at all to sign him after year 3. None.

Obviously none of you are businessmen because you surely don't think like one.

I'm pretty sure Smith had a couple of years left on his rookie contract before he signed an extension, AND this year he still had a year on that contract an extended him AGAIN. We didn't extend Johnson, Deangelo because there was a fuging labor dispute the following year.

[Panthro]

Quiet down...Jerry Richardson is not a businessman

EconP55

[CRA]

Why?? Extending him 2 years before you have to only makes sense if you tear up his old contract and give him a new one and that will cost us 20 to 40 million more than if we wait. It isn't as if there is any reason to sign him early. He knows that he is going to break the bank when he gets resigned.

If you wait.... you let him get even better....which cost more.

And more importantly, let him see year 5....and maybe he plays hardball and thinks about leaving. You think Carolina wants his mind working like that? They will lock him up for a long time as soon as they get the chance.

[PantherPhann89]

Ohh generally I agree. I was just being a sarcastic ass. However in Indy's case I would hope that we would have done the exact same thing. There were just too many question marks surrounding Peyton and he was demanding a lot of money for someone with those kind of health risks. It would have been utterly stupid to pay him his asking price while drafting Luck number one.

It's one thing to make a late 1st or 2nd rounder sit for a year or two. It's a totally different animal when it's the 1st overall, especially behind a QB that you're paying in the 15million range.

Yeah, Indy's case was a bit different. Peyton could've made it a lil easier for them but he forced their hand.

[CRA]

Obviously none of you are businessmen because you surely don't think like one.

Well I firmly believe Carolina will treat it as a 4 yr deal. So let's assume for a minute they do....

If they do, recent history says they give him a new deal after his 3rd season is in the books. They don't let him see the last year of his contract just like Eli, Rivers etc didn't the last year of there rookie deals.

Unlike those guys, Cam didnt get the comical money as a rookie....so Carolina also will likely want to reward a #1 pick who didn't cash in like those before him.

I know there is that 5th year clause in it but I believe Carolina honors it as a 4.....and if they do he easily gets extended after 3 seasons

[PantherPhann89]

Loyalty is over-rated and not a part of the buisness contracts. Did Beason give back money because he was hurt last year? Did he give us a hometown discount?? No to both. Players get as much as they can and we pay them as little as we can. That is business. Loyalty isn't really a huge factor or we wouldn't have cut guys like Hoover in 2010.

I said loyalty, not stupidity! Why would Beason give moey back because he got injured doing what he was being paid to do. Do you give money back when you get injured on your job? Loyalty isn't as overrated as you indicate. There is loyalty within business, although at the end of the day, you have to make a decision that benefits the team. It is my believe that within that decision, loyalty is considered, not the determining factor, but considered. If we've rode the shirt tale of our Franchise QB for years, production year after year from him, I would not be the one ready to toss him aside so quickly. My top priorty would be to keep him and sign my idea of his replacement.

[jtnc]

Loyalty is over-rated and not a part of the buisness contracts. Did Beason give back money because he was hurt last year? Did he give us a hometown discount?? No to both. Players get as much as they can and we pay them as little as we can. That is business. Loyalty isn't really a huge factor or we wouldn't have cut guys like Hoover in 2010.

[iamhubby1]

Well I firmly believe Carolina will treat it as a 4 yr deal. So let's assume for a minute they do....

If they do, recent history says they give him a new deal after his 3rd season is in the books. They don't let him see the last year of his contract just like Eli, Rivers etc didn't the last year of there rookie deals.

Unlike those guys, Cam didnt get the comical money as a rookie....so Carolina also will likely want to reward a #1 pick who didn't cash in like those before him.

I know there is that 5th year clause in it but I believe Carolina honors it as a 4.....and if they do he easily gets extended after 3 seasons

Breez just got 100m, Bradford got 80. Where is Cam going to fit in there after NEXT year? By then he very well could be Top 5. Or even higher for us Homerz. By then, what will the going rate be for a REWARD?

I really can see the Pantherz throwing an offer at Cam after next year. 6yrs 110m, or in that area. Try and lock him up for the first half of his career. Scary thought. How many of these type contracts will Cam get? There is a real posibility of 3. What would that be?

With endorsements addedd in. Cam could easily pass half a billion in earnings from football. OK, I'll say it. I'm in the wrong line of work.

[jtnc]

Breez just got 100m, Bradford got 80. Where is Cam going to fit in there after NEXT year? By then he very well could be Top 5. Or even higher for us Homerz. By then, what will the going rate be for a REWARD?

I really can see the Pantherz throwing an offer at Cam after next year. 6yrs 110m, or in that area. Try and lock him up for the first half of his career. Scary thought. How many of these type contracts will Cam get? There is a real posibility of 3. What would that be?

With endorsements addedd in. Cam could easily pass half a billion in earnings from football. OK, I'll say it. I'm in the wrong line of work.

They cannot re-sign Cam next year, he cannot be re-signed until the starting year of the 4th year of his rookie contract. UNLESS they temporarily release him and THEN re-sign him. Which I highly doubt will happen.

[jtnc]

There is also a fifth year option Carolina can opt in and Cam will be paid the average top 5 money at his position for that year.

[Leeroy Jenkins PhD]

There is also a fifth year option Carolina can opt in and Cam will be paid the average top 5 money at his position for that year.

Not Exactly

“If a player is picked 1-10, then the 5th year option is going to be the average of the top-10 players at the respective player’s position. So, if you’re quarterback and go number one in the Draft, then your fifth year option salary will be the average of the top-ten quarterbacks. The option is exercised after the third season, so it would be based upon the top-ten quarterback salaries at that time. If you’re picked 11-32, then the 5th year club option is the average salary of the top 3rd through 25th player in that position.”

So, top 10 QB's average salary based on the salaries at that time (3rd year of said contract)

[iamhubby1]

They cannot re-sign Cam next year, he cannot be re-signed until the starting year of the 4th year of his rookie contract. UNLESS they temporarily release him and THEN re-sign him. Which I highly doubt will happen.

Did not mean to like, but as it is no where near as big of a deal as pie. Go ahead and keep it. I got plenty left.

Please read before replying. I said "after next year". Not, after this year, but, after next year. Thou shall count to two. Two shall beith the number counted. Not one, nor three shall be the number counted. Two is the number to be counted.

So to recap. After next year is still two years away. Hence, being able to restructure, reconfigure, or even reconstitute Cam's contract after next year.