FA projected losses over next 2 years

[Panthro]

Cam will be given an extension after his third year. I imagine it will be for 5 years so he can be restructured or extended in that deal 4 years in if he outperforms it.

This organization rewards performance and is willing to pay top dollar to their people at the tail end of their contracts wherher they deserve it or not...Beason, Delhomme, DeAngelo, even Peppers

[PantherPhann89]

I believe that Cam will remain a Panther. Teams don't get rid of Franchise QB's, unless you're the Colts.

[Panthro]

I believe that Cam will remain a Panther. Teams don't get rid of Franchise QB's, unless you're the Colts.

And in 15 years I hope we do the same if there is a Cam Newton Jr sitting there when we draft

[Brooklyn Bully]

Hurney is good with numbers. That's a fact. He'll be a genius if the core group pans out. Anyone can lock up players if they're good with numbers. It's a waiting game right now.

[PantherPhann89]

And in 15 years I hope we do the same if there is a Cam Newton Jr sitting there when we draft

I strongly disagree!!! I'd want to see us show more loyalty and attempt to work out a way to keep both until the Rook is ready.

[Floppin]

I strongly disagree!!! I'd want to see us show more loyalty and attempt to work out a way to keep both until the Rook is ready.

You're right, if it wasn't for those few seasons of riding the pine Cam wouldn't have had the success he had.

[PantherPhann89]

You're right, if it wasn't for those few seasons of riding the pine Cam wouldn't have had the success he had.

I didn't say that a rookie QB won't or can't have success. I say that I would want to see more loyalty to our Franchise QB. Meaning that I wouldn't just want to thow him out the pasture and hang my hopes on the new Bull. This is just what I would prefer, you disagree....Cool!

[Floppin]

I didn't say that a rookie QB won't or can't have success. I say that I would want to see more loyalty to our Franchise QB. Meaning that I wouldn't just want to thow him out the pasture and hang my hopes on the new Bull. This is just what I would prefer, you disagree....Cool!

Ohh generally I agree. I was just being a sarcastic ass. However in Indy's case I would hope that we would have done the exact same thing. There were just too many question marks surrounding Peyton and he was demanding a lot of money for someone with those kind of health risks. It would have been utterly stupid to pay him his asking price while drafting Luck number one.

It's one thing to make a late 1st or 2nd rounder sit for a year or two. It's a totally different animal when it's the 1st overall, especially behind a QB that you're paying in the 15million range.

[panthers55]

Cam will be given an extension after his third year. I imagine it will be for 5 years so he can be restructured or extended in that deal 4 years in if he outperforms it.

This organization rewards performance and is willing to pay top dollar to their people at the tail end of their contracts wherher they deserve it or not...Beason, Delhomme, DeAngelo, even Peppers

Tell me one guy we paid early. Smith?? No. Jake?? No. Peppers?? No. Williams??? No Stewart?? No Johnson?? No. The only way a guy gets paid early is if you tear up the old contract or he threatens to sit out if you don't pay him like Chris Johnson did. We aren't going to give him less by signing him early so there is no reason to do it and we never have.

what makes you think we do it now?? We won't let him get to free agency but there is no reason at all to sign him after year 3. None.

Obviously none of you are businessmen because you surely don't think like one.

[panthers55]

I didn't say that a rookie QB won't or can't have success. I say that I would want to see more loyalty to our Franchise QB. Meaning that I wouldn't just want to thow him out the pasture and hang my hopes on the new Bull. This is just what I would prefer, you disagree....Cool!

Loyalty is over-rated and not a part of the buisness contracts. Did Beason give back money because he was hurt last year? Did he give us a hometown discount?? No to both. Players get as much as they can and we pay them as little as we can. That is business. Loyalty isn't really a huge factor or we wouldn't have cut guys like Hoover in 2010.

[KendrickPanther]

What I have suggested is not a home town discount. It is the going rate for a very good QB that has not reached the pinnacle of his profession. Some of you guys are such Cam homers you don't realize he has flaws and short comings. The idea is to resign him long term before he fixes those flaws and shortcomings for less money. But this topic really should be dead, it's going in circles.

[Panthro]

Tell me one guy we paid early. Smith?? No. Jake?? No. Peppers?? No. Williams??? No Stewart?? No Johnson?? No. The only way a guy gets paid early is if you tear up the old contract or he threatens to sit out if you don't pay him like Chris Johnson did. We aren't going to give him less by signing him early so there is no reason to do it and we never have.

what makes you think we do it now?? We won't let him get to free agency but there is no reason at all to sign him after year 3. None.

Obviously none of you are businessmen because you surely don't think like one.

Obviously we think like a billionaire...not a maroon who thinks he's always right

Steve Smith was worried if the day would ever come. He spent a full year wondering if the Carolina Panthers would extend his contract another three years. The time has finally come for him to stop worrying. The once troubled wide-receiver received a 3-year contract extension that will enable him to make more money than was originally in his contract. Smith had three years left on a six-year, $27 million contract that he signed in 2004

[pstall]

how many wins does good cap mgt equal?

[Lumps]

Hurney is good with numbers. That's a fact. He'll be a genius if the core group pans out. Anyone can lock up players if they're good with numbers. It's a waiting game right now.

Exactly. Not only this but the Panthers offer these guys not only a large contract, but larger than anyone else would. Unless a player despises playing here, doesn't seem all that hard.

To me I don't care about the cap in general but the link between the cap and production is very important, creating a means to change. In other words sitting with a 6-10 team as close to the cap as we are, with these guys locked up eating the cap and not proving to be a winning team is trouble. Not saying we can't get better, obviously we will, but as of now that is where it is. I agree with RIvera, "not there yet".