Fox/Hurney's Tenure for the Panthers

[rayzor]

no one should be considered new after 8 years.

[dpanthersman]

i am a pragmatic business man. you set your contracts up with anticipations that certain benchmarks will be met. you have a goal in mind and you allow in your contracts enough reasonable time to accomplish those goals. if you think they are close and near the end of the contract, you extend it. if they haven't reached those goals and they you have provided them with the tools they said they needed to accomplish it then something is wrong. you have to set a limit on how much time and money you will invest in someone. if they aren't getting the results, replace them with someone that can.

you shouldn't beat a dead horse and you shouldn't keep paying someone who can't seem to get the job done. the job is building a consistently winning team that is a legit superbowl contender. 8 years is plenty of time to see what he can do. this is the last chance.

i realy like fox. but i do agree with this. if he cant get us into the playoffs this year. i change may be whats needed to get us over the top

[Mr. Scot]

Fans can be rather fickle sometimes.

With John Fox, the Panthers took the approach that it's better to grow their own star coach than to tab somebody else's. With quarterback, the coach they chose took the opposite approach, deciding to take a guy someone else developed rather than develop someone on their own (a process they feel takes too long).

Fans, on the flipside, always want a shiny new toy at quarterback. But when it comes to the coach, they'd rather put their trust in a guy who was already a star somewhere else (like Cowher).

No wonder there's a disconnect

[rayzor]

i wouldn't say wanting a change after 8 or 9 years is exactly being fickle if things aren't as good at the end of that time frame as they should/could be.

at some point a line has to be drawn. where do you draw that line? what is an appropriate time-frame to decide if a coach is going to be able to take you to the top or make you a consistently good team with a winning record most years? imo, as it has always been, this year is the year to show us what he can do. he has the players, he has the coaches. what is he going to do with it. if he can show that he has the right ingredients and can mix them in the right way to give us another big year then he should have an extension at the end of the year. if he can't get the right mix and lead us to that big year then we should just not give him another contract.

winning season + playoffs win(s) = good extension

winning season but no playoffs or one and done = one year contract

under .500 = no new contract

btw...not looking for him to fail. i'm looking for him to succeed and think he has most of the tools necessary to do it and think he feels he has all the tools needed. i believe he will do it but i want to be ready to move if he doesn't.

[Cold Cat]

I think Fox has been and is a good coach. Yes, I think that He and his coaching staff should work on adapting to situations; but I can say that because I am a fan and don't know or understand everything that is going on. I like his style and don't see that many different Realistic options for a HC change in Carolina.

Just looking at his stats tells you that he is a good coach. (i'm not saying great)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FoxxJo0.htm

I still think this last playoff loss is to fresh in many of our minds.

[frash.exe]

does it take 8 seasons to find consistency as a HC?

[bleys]

does it take 8 seasons to find consistency as a HC?

If we have another winning season, or even the next 2 as winning seasons, would you still say no?

[frash.exe]

If we have another winning season, or even the next 2 as winning seasons, would you still say no?

yes why not

*EDIT. By yes I mean I would consider them consistent after that.

....but they haven't done it yet.

[Jangler]

I love that they are loyal. But sometimes that can hurt a team more than it will help. I hope they have learned from that and know when to cut'em and when to keep'em. I'm not bringing Jake into it (oooppss ) cuz that comes back to the question of who are you going to get to replace him? A question no one has really offered a good answer to, so don't try now.

[DaveThePanther2008]

When Fox loses control of this team like Capers and Seifert did then he will be replaced. We can speculate when he will be replaced but as long as He fights, stay competitive and runs a good team. I don't see JR making changes and starting over. Everyone seems to think that if he doesn't "take the next step" he'll be gone. Fox goes when the team quits.

[Mr. Scot]

i wouldn't say wanting a change after 8 or 9 years is exactly being fickle if things aren't as good at the end of that time frame as they should/could be.

at some point a line has to be drawn. where do you draw that line? what is an appropriate time-frame to decide if a coach is going to be able to take you to the top or make you a consistently good team with a winning record most years? imo, as it has always been, this year is the year to show us what he can do. he has the players, he has the coaches. what is he going to do with it. if he can show that he has the right ingredients and can mix them in the right way to give us another big year then he should have an extension at the end of the year. if he can't get the right mix and lead us to that big year then we should just not give him another contract.

winning season + playoffs win(s) = good extension

winning season but no playoffs or one and done = one year contract

under .500 = no new contract

btw...not looking for him to fail. i'm looking for him to succeed and think he has most of the tools necessary to do it and think he feels he has all the tools needed. i believe he will do it but i want to be ready to move if he doesn't.

Fickle wasn't the best word for what I was trying to say, honestly

As to the line, Cowher went 15 years. And how long has Jeff Fisher been coaching?

[rayzor]

I love that they are loyal. But sometimes that can hurt a team more than it will help. I hope they have learned from that and know when to cut'em and when to keep'em. I'm not bringing Jake into it (oooppss ) cuz that comes back to the question of who are you going to get to replace him? A question no one has really offered a good answer to, so don't try now.

i'd like to see how meeks does this year.

there are a few others but with the coaching staff in place being so new i would be surprised if they did a whole restructuring and either just replaced the head with someone new who could fit in with the rest of the staff or promoted from within.

i'm not anticipating any of this happening but if it does, this is very much something that could happen. davidson and even skipper are people who might be considered. there is always some of the older coaches that would be available (cowher, schotty, herm j/k) and there are also new guns that have been getting the nod as of late.

[rayzor]

Fickle wasn't the best word for what I was trying to say, honestly

As to the line, Cowher went 15 years. And how long has Jeff Fisher been coaching?

well, cowher had a whole lot more winning seasons than fox has. cowher only had 4 .500 or worse seasons in 15 years which is what fox has had in 7 so i can understand sticking with cowher a whole lot more.

fisher...that is an odd one that has probably had his job for longer than i would have him for. 6 winning seasons out of 15 (of course they went to the playoffs every winning season that they had). they haven't had any sustained success. they will have two winning seasons surrounded by several seasons of mediocrity or worse. at what point do you look at his body of work and decide that he just isn't going to get it done? after 5 more years? 10?

[frash.exe]

Just because Tennessee feels like keeping a head coach who's been there for like 15 seasons and still hasn't won a superbowl doesn't mean we should.