Jake gunslinger or game manger

[Fireball77]

Thats what happens after years playing with each other

No, Jake and Smitty always had that.

Jake and Moose had to develop that.

[panthers55]

Gunslinger. For sure.

Dude can't "manage" a game worth sh¡t...

Yeah, his winning percentage is just horrible.

Oh wait..........

Well he sure can't win when the defense plays poorly.

Oh wait, he did lead big comebacks against Greenbay, SD and New Orleans last year.........

Well when he is not playing well he never hangs in there and just does what he has to win. Look at the second Arizona game.

Oh Wait, he did have some average to poor games against Chicago, Oakland, and Arizona the first time and we did win all three with the offense doing enough in the second half to pull them out.......

Well, nevermind.......

[carolinarolls]

Seriously Crolls don't include yourself in the rest of us. You are alone in your constant railing about the panthers and everyone on our team. As for irrelevant stats and selective information, how about you give us the relevant information and stats instead of your opinion and speculation with no facts to back it up. At least I can prove my assertions with facts.

Show me with numbers and facts where I am wrong. Instead you will resort to the usual speculation, opinion, and the almighty I saw it so it must be true. The only reason I rarely argue with you is that is a waste of time. You go into the battle of wits without a weapon and have no ammunition to back your assertions. When that doesn't work you begin namecalling and make personal attacks. It gets old. Anyone who goes back and forth soon gives up because you really have nothing new to add to the conversation or any facts to back it up.

As for why a gunslinger fits our offense rather than a game manager- refer back to several posts which clearly discuss it quite well. No need to reinterate it again since frankly you aren't listening anyway. Just waiting to rant away again and beat us down with your skewed speculation until we give up arguing.

You always seem to get the last word in no matter how innane.

the winning percentage and come from behind stats against a few team in a few situations are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the conversation. That tired old song and dance of yours proves nothing. Partly because its impossible to prove something that just isn't true. If you had some common ******* sense you would know that. Stop trying to convince yourself that every answer lies in some damn statistic. You are only making yourself look foolish. There is no such thing as a fiery game manager. And even if there was at some point, his name was not jake Delhomme.

I am convinced that you would argue with a wall about anything as long as you had an internet connection and the NFL.com archives were not down. You may sound like you know what you are talking about too to a few mush heads around here but your BS is tiresome. Rarely does it mean anything. You are just contrarian and argumentative. Give it a rest.

Arguing that Jake is more of a manager than gunslinger is futile.

Arguing that Jake is hybrid of the two styles is impossible.

Arguing that a gunslinger is the right quarterback for a run first play great d team is completely ridiculous. I don't care where you think you have discussed it "quite well"

[carolinarolls]

the type of quarterback Jake Delhomme is has absolutely nothing to do with the defense. How in the hell did that ever even become a factor. A QB's approach to the game is how they have always played with every defense they have ever played.

Saying he can change his game is just stupid. He can change his plays or his coach can change him for him but a wild man is a wild man. And the wild gunslingers in the league right now each display the larges margin for error. They win big and they lose big. They take big risks and are too emotional. This team does not have the personnel to cover for the mistakes of a player like that because it is built off of being conservative. Like it or not that is John Fox football and he seems to have all the parts and pieces...except one.

The main one.

..damn I just convinced myself to like Fox and Hurney a little less just then

[panthers55]

the winning percentage and come from behind stats against a few team in a few situations are irrelevant and have nothing to do with the conversation. That tired old song and dance of yours proves nothing. Partly because its impossible to prove something that just isn't true. If you had some common ******* sense you would know that. Stop trying to convince yourself that every answer lies in some damn statistic. You are only making yourself look foolish. There is no such thing as a fiery game manager. And even if there was at some point, his name was not jake Delhomme.

I am convinced that you would argue with a wall about anything as long as you had an internet connection and the NFL.com archives were not down. You may sound like you know what you are talking about too to a few mush heads around here but your BS is tiresome. Rarely does it mean anything. You are just contrarian and argumentative. Give it a rest.

Arguing that Jake is more of a manager than gunslinger is futile.

Arguing that Jake is hybrid of the two styles is impossible.

Arguing that a gunslinger is the right quarterback for a run first play great d team is completely ridiculous. I don't care where you think you have discussed it "quite well"

No facts/ no stats= no proof. Once again a bunch of convoluted arguments with no evidence. You only try to tear down someone else's argument but offer no evidence or facts to support your own view. That is a negative contrarian viewpoint and proves nothing. Instead of attacking others try generating something unique on your own.

Good job with the name calling and personal attacks. You did just as I predicted.

Major fail as usual.

[panthers55]

the type of quarterback Jake Delhomme is has absolutely nothing to do with the defense. How in the hell did that ever even become a factor. A QB's approach to the game is how they have always played with every defense they have ever played.

Saying he can change his game is just stupid. He can change his plays or his coach can change him for him but a wild man is a wild man. And the wild gunslingers in the league right now each display the larges margin for error. They win big and they lose big. They take big risks and are too emotional. This team does not have the personnel to cover for the mistakes of a player like that because it is built off of being conservative. Like it or not that is John Fox football and he seems to have all the parts and pieces...except one.

The main one.

..damn I just convinced myself to like Fox and Hurney a little less just then

You have obviously never played or coached football at any significant level or you wouldn't expound such naive ideas.

No quarterback is a wild man or not. Every NFL quarterback makes decisions based on the defense and what they read and the formations that they see. Some are obviously better than others but to say that they play the same way against all kinds of defenses suggests you have no idea about gameplanning and don't know what you are watching when you see a game.

Quarterbacks have a play called in the huddle but that play often has 3 or 4 variations based on what down it is, how the defense lines up , and how many yards they have to go. Audibles and automatic reads happen on more plays than not. Jake like any other quarterback doesn't just go up to the line and decide to chuck the ball down the field or throw in triple coverage irregardless of the defense.

Gunslingers will take risks but they are calculated ones based on a number of factors. To assume that Jake won't check down, throw a hot read, change a play at the line or in anyway account for what the defense gives him is just ignorant.

The truth is that trying to catagorize a quarterback as one type or another is actually pretty naive as well if you want to get technical. Most quarterbacks don't throw interceptions because they are trying to make something happen. They actually throw interceptions because they misread the coverage, or they misjudge the speed of the corner to recover, get pressure and throw the ball before they really want to, throw to a spot and the receiver isn't where they are supposed to be or there is a miscommunication between the receiver and quarterback and one thought it was an out and the other thought is was a curl for example.

But why bother, you will only poo poo this as well and deliver some convoluted argument attacking this with no evidence to the contrary. Seems a waste of time to try and throw so many pearls before swine.

[carolinarolls]

You have obviously never played or coached football at any significant level or you wouldn't expound such naive ideas.

No quarterback is a wild man or not. Every NFL quarterback makes decisions based on the defense and what they read and the formations that they see. Some are obviously better than others but to say that they play the same way against all kinds of defenses suggests you have no idea about gameplanning and don't know what you are watching when you see a game.

Quarterbacks have a play called in the huddle but that play often has 3 or 4 variations based on what down it is, how the defense lines up , and how many yards they have to go. Audibles and automatic reads happen on more plays than not. Jake like any other quarterback doesn't just go up to the line and decide to chuck the ball down the field or throw in triple coverage irregardless of the defense.

Gunslingers will take risks but they are calculated ones based on a number of factors. To assume that Jake won't check down, throw a hot read, change a play at the line or in anyway account for what the defense gives him is just ignorant.

The truth is that trying to catagorize a quarterback as one type or another is actually pretty naive as well if you want to get technical. Most quarterbacks don't throw interceptions because they are trying to make something happen. They actually throw interceptions because they misread the coverage, or they misjudge the speed of the corner to recover, get pressure and throw the ball before they really want to, throw to a spot and the receiver isn't where they are supposed to be or there is a miscommunication between the receiver and quarterback and one thought it was an out and the other thought is was a curl for example.

But why bother, you will only poo poo this as well and deliver some convoluted argument attacking this with no evidence to the contrary. Seems a waste of time to try and throw so many pearls before swine.

your man crush on Jake Delhomme has failed you yet again.

gunslinger is a virtual antonym of "calculated risk"

I am enjoying watching you squirm though. One embarrassingly inept stab at making sense after another, you have dug yourself into another hole where you don't even know what end is up.

the stats

THE STATS!

lmfao @ 55

..again

[Nu Guns]

Not everyone has time, to look at a bunch of stats. Just because someone doesnt list a link or a book stats does not discredit them.

Again, people have thier opinions on Jake no matter the stats. Preception is reality. By the way you guys throw Jakes stats out there...it makes him look great.

No other teams want him as thier starter....a back up or a fill in until a new rookie develops maybe. I watch NFL network, I have the NFL ticket, I play FF, ....I dont need to post a page of stats to know whats going on and how Jake plays. Its so funny how this always comes up, I guess because its a boring off-season. I am trying to stay away from bashing him, but this topic never goes away.

Jake is medicore QB, hes far from the worst and far from the best.

He is def not worth the money we are paying him, thats for sure.

I agree with Bag Head !

[panthers55]

Not everyone has time, to look at a bunch of stats. Just because someone doesnt list a link or a book stats does not discredit them.

Again, people have thier opinions on Jake no matter the stats. Preception is reality. By the way you guys throw Jakes stats out there...it makes him look great.

No other teams want him as thier starter....a back up or a fill in until a new rookie develops maybe. I watch NFL network, I have the NFL ticket, I play FF, ....I dont need to post a page of stats to know whats going on and how Jake plays. Its so funny how this always comes up, I guess because its a boring off-season. I am trying to stay away from bashing him, but this topic never goes away.

Jake is medicore QB, hes far from the worst and far from the best.

He is def not worth the money we are paying him, thats for sure.

I agree with Bag Head !

I would expect you would agree with him. Your post appears about as intelligent as something he would write.

You appear to be another one of the "don't confuse me with the stats" kind of guy. Of course you don't need stats and facts to know whats going on. You saw it on TV. That eminently qualifies as an expert to comment on his ability.

Nevermind that TV gives you only a small picture of what goes on.

Nevermind that you don't have a clue what play was called or what defense the opposition was in.

Nevermind that you are aren't a pro scout or expert in this area.

Nevermind that the facts make him look like a good player.

You know the truth in spite of all that.

Brilliant!!!!!!

You and Bag head must be "twin sons of different mothers".

[Carl Spackler]

Jake is a gunslinger without a doubt. But like a lot of people have said, he's made it work a lot.

[Nu Guns]

I would expect you would agree with him. Your post appears about as intelligent as something he would write.

You appear to be another one of the "don't confuse me with the stats" kind of guy. Of course you don't need stats and facts to know whats going on. You saw it on TV. That eminently qualifies as an expert to comment on his ability.

Nevermind that TV gives you only a small picture of what goes on.

Nevermind that you don't have a clue what play was called or what defense the opposition was in.

Nevermind that you are aren't a pro scout or expert in this area.

Nevermind that the facts make him look like a good player.

You know the truth in spite of all that.

Brilliant!!!!!!

You and Bag head must be "twin sons of different mothers".

LOL

Didnt see this coming :ciappa:

Just read back your statement and you will see what a cocky mo-fo you are.

You think because you throw a bunch of stats out that you are God's gift.

I dont have the time-that simple.

I call it as I see it, and I see a lot of it.

You are a ticket holder correct?

Then you see less games,less commentary and less live action .

Although, I know you are too good to listen to anylist opinions.

Why do they have them anyway?

ESPN,NFL network all of them should just not be on TV at all because accroding to yourslef and a few others here they know nothing.

Fact is, if you would take off your Rose colored shades to 2 seconds you would see that Jake is not all that and bag of chips. Everyone in the nation sees it, but they are all dumber then you-I know. Whenever so one disagrees with your point of view you try to be little them with stats and question thier intelligence. Your smoke screen sucks

Nevermind that TV gives you only a small picture of what goes on.

Nevermind that you don't have a clue what play was called or what defense the opposition was in.

Nevermind that you are aren't a pro scout or expert in this area.

Umm....ok :out:

Step down off your high horse

:dita:

[panthers55]

LOL

Didnt see this coming :ciappa:

Just read back your statement and you will see what a cocky mo-fo you are.

You think because you throw a bunch of stats out that you are God's gift.

I dont have the time-that simple.

I call it as I see it, and I see a lot of it.

You are a ticket holder correct?

Then you see less games,less commentary and less live action .

Although, I know you are too good to listen to anylist opinions.

Why do they have them anyway?

ESPN,NFL network all of them should just not be on TV at all because accroding to yourslef and a few others here they know nothing.

Fact is, if you would take off your Rose colored shades to 2 seconds you would see that Jake is not all that and bag of chips. Everyone in the nation sees it, but they are all dumber then you-I know. Whenever so one disagrees with your point of view you try to be little them with stats and question thier intelligence. Your smoke screen sucks

Nevermind that TV gives you only a small picture of what goes on.

Nevermind that you don't have a clue what play was called or what defense the opposition was in.

Nevermind that you are aren't a pro scout or expert in this area.

Umm....ok :out:

Step down off your high horse

:dita:

This doesn't justify a serious response. Besides I won't sink to your level. I prefer the high horse. It keeps me from stepping in a pile of crap like your post.

[carpanfan96]

What will you do Nu Gun and Rolls if he has another season like 04 or 05 this coming season???? Will you finally admit you were wrong about his skill level?

[panthers55]

What will you do Nu Gun and Rolls if he has another season like 04 or 05 this coming season???? Will you finally admit you were wrong about his skill level?

Why would that matter to them? Stats don't matter, winning percentages don't matter, facts don't matter.

They have told all of us, all of those things just get in the way of the truth which is that Jake sucks no matter what. Don't try to cloud the issue with reality, they know the truth. They saw it on TV with their own eyes.