Jake gunslinger or game manger

[rayzor]

role of the QB in fox's game is to stretch the field and open up the running game. problem with trying to stretch the field like that is that you are more prone to mistakes. fox is also looking for the big play. most everything is geared towards that and it appears he is drafting for it as well. there is a lot more risk that goes on during the first 3 downs. 4th downs he backs off in an effort to either just put points on the board or try to get themselves in a better position later. not sure what you would call the QB in that kind of game but gunslinger would more closely resemble it than game manager.

gunslinger is someone who tries and shoots for the moon. makes some big plays that are pretty risky but also makes some pretty big mistakes because of it. if they have more big plays that big mistakes, they're a hero. if the mistakes are more than the big plays, they lost the game all by themselves. they carry the game largely on their shoulders. forcing the ball is part of it.

game manager i'd say who tends to try and do nothing risky and limit mistakes though that. control the clock, control the ball.

[The Link]

Jake is a crappy gunslinger.

[Fireball77]

Yeah, but the Ravens defense is quite a few notches above Arizona's.

That's true, but if you watched the game, those INTs were not so much plays that looked like great plays by the D, they were more WTF type throws. Same as Jake's in the AZ game.

rayzor makes sense here.

[Mr. Scot]

wtf is a game manger?

Already answered (see above).

[scpanther22]

wtf is a game manger?

lol sorry about that...

[Gat]

Good defense = Jake game manager

Defensive no show = Jake gunslinger

Jake is gonna try and win the game. Nobody really has said much about how the D put us in that spot the end of the last season.

[frash.exe]

Quarters 1-3: Game manager

Quarter 4: Gunslinger

Game where the defense completely fugs up and the offense needs to score points: Gunslinger.

[carolinarolls]

You are wrong....while QB's can be one or the other they can work on perfecting the other.... A Gunslinger can manage the game when needed...i.e. brett Farve's best years was when he was able to manage the game and not have to force issues....A game manager can sometimes foce issues to keep defenses honest....Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Phillip rivers are good examples of a QB being able to use both....

None of the three QB's you mentioned are both. Cloud this with whatever scenario you like and whatever time frame you choose to segment but you are only fooling yourself

PM, DB, and PR are not gunslingers. Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme, Jay Cutler, and (not a starter but) Rex Grossman are. The scrambling QB's are something completely different.

Just because you go downfield a few time a game does not make you a gunslinger. At the same time just because you play close to the vest and dink an dunk on a defense that gives you a soft middle FOR ONE WEEK or two throughout the season does not make you a game manager.

On a passing play...If your first inclination is to go down field, yo pump fake the ball alot, you are accused of staring down receivers sometimes, you have spells in your career where you habitually overthrow short open targets, and you tend to try and win a game with one or two plays, you are most likely a gunslinger. Yes you have balls and a strong arm but don't always make the best decisions. Your perfect team would be one with a big max protect O-line, 3- 4 receivers who can play on the field in trip formations and who can all stretch the field. You wmight have an al-purpose back that is great out of the backfield and can burn people in the open field after the opposing DC sends the farm after you.

On a passing play...If your first inclination is to get rid of the ball to the easiest target possible, always look for the safe play, are willing to sustain drives with 3-5 yard completions to any and everybody, have the ability to thread tight windows and throw a catchable ball, and look to throw deep in busted coverage or situations where the DB is clearly beaten, you might be a game manager. Game managers are grinders and their ability to quickly and accurately read a defense and make the smart play in spite of opposing DC's throwing a myriad of looks at them frustrates a defense and eventually forces them into making a mistake for which you, the one who sees all and has been playing chess for 2.5 quarters, capitalizes. Your ideal team would be a strong defense that gets you the ball and allows yo to dominate TOP. You would prefer it if you had at least 2 bruisers in the backfield who are capable of making the big play and grinding out yardage. You would utilize a pass catching TE and would appreciat one of the greats at that position that was sure-handed across the middle so they could pull you out of jams.

Yes Manning and Favre can both stretch the field and yes they can both hit a short pass with huge YAC. Gunslinger vs. game manager is not a moniker placed on a QB by analyzing his stats. It's a label they get branded with based on how they are put together mentally and what their natural approach to the game is.

One is not better than the other but they do tend to be more successful if put in an optimum situation.

[Lone Buc Fan]

Game manager at best..

Gun Slinger when he's frantic...

[Jangler]

Would a game manger be what Touchdown Jesus was born in? :confused:

As to the topic, he's a gunslinger, and that's exactly what an offense under John Fox needs. If Fox had a game manager running his conservative attack, we'd have no spark at all.

I like this Jesus better...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg[/ame]

[scpanther22]

Game manager at best..

Gun Slinger when he's frantic...

what do you call your QBs..

[frash.exe]

[SCpanther]

Jake has always been a gunslinger. It was mostly "experts" who rarely watched Panther games that labeled him a game manager. I've always thought of Jake as a gunslinger, whose coaches want him to be a game manager. He tries to fill that roll but ultimately always reverts back to his reckless, gun slinging ways.

Last season he was still a gunslinger. He just didn't have to throw as much, because we had such a successful running attack.

[carpanfan96]

None of the three QB's you mentioned are both. Cloud this with whatever scenario you like and whatever time frame you choose to segment but you are only fooling yourself

PM, DB, and PR are not gunslingers. Brett Favre, Jake Delhomme, Jay Cutler, and (not a starter but) Rex Grossman are. The scrambling QB's are something completely different.

Just because you go downfield a few time a game does not make you a gunslinger. At the same time just because you play close to the vest and dink an dunk on a defense that gives you a soft middle FOR ONE WEEK or two throughout the season does not make you a game manager.

On a passing play...If your first inclination is to go down field, yo pump fake the ball alot, you are accused of staring down receivers sometimes, you have spells in your career where you habitually overthrow short open targets, and you tend to try and win a game with one or two plays, you are most likely a gunslinger. Yes you have balls and a strong arm but don't always make the best decisions. Your perfect team would be one with a big max protect O-line, 3- 4 receivers who can play on the field in trip formations and who can all stretch the field. You wmight have an al-purpose back that is great out of the backfield and can burn people in the open field after the opposing DC sends the farm after you.

On a passing play...If your first inclination is to get rid of the ball to the easiest target possible, always look for the safe play, are willing to sustain drives with 3-5 yard completions to any and everybody, have the ability to thread tight windows and throw a catchable ball, and look to throw deep in busted coverage or situations where the DB is clearly beaten, you might be a game manager. Game managers are grinders and their ability to quickly and accurately read a defense and make the smart play in spite of opposing DC's throwing a myriad of looks at them frustrates a defense and eventually forces them into making a mistake for which you, the one who sees all and has been playing chess for 2.5 quarters, capitalizes. Your ideal team would be a strong defense that gets you the ball and allows yo to dominate TOP. You would prefer it if you had at least 2 bruisers in the backfield who are capable of making the big play and grinding out yardage. You would utilize a pass catching TE and would appreciat one of the greats at that position that was sure-handed across the middle so they could pull you out of jams.

Yes Manning and Favre can both stretch the field and yes they can both hit a short pass with huge YAC. Gunslinger vs. game manager is not a moniker placed on a QB by analyzing his stats. It's a label they get branded with based on how they are put together mentally and what their natural approach to the game is.

One is not better than the other but they do tend to be more successful if put in an optimum situation.

We agree on something. Jake, Cutler, and Farve are Gunslingers.

Based on style of play PM, DB and PR are mostly Game Managers in that they find the open receiver and usually don't try and force the issue unless they happen to be in a situation that requires it.

TB and DB are both very good examples of the Game Manager style QB while also putting up prolific Passing stats. The reason they put up those stats is mainly due to the style of offense the team they are on use.