Griffin vs Newton

[CatMan72]

you got the weight right, but 6'2 is actually a bit tall for an RB.

in fact it's hard to find many RBs over 6' anymore.

Yeah, 220 spread over a 6'2" frame doesn't work quite the same as 220 spread over a 5'10" frame. LOL

[CatMan72]

Another former Redskin...

To win the state 100-meter titles his sophomore and junior years, Stephen Davis had to beat Gaffney's Tim Montgomery, who later would own the world record in that event. His senior year, Davis again won, this time in a time of 10.28, but meet officials declared the sprint as "wind-aided," and it was not recognized as a record.

"I told the track official that it was wind-aided because that guy weighing 230 pounds ran by your machine so fast," Owings said.

So to recap, Davis beat Tim Montgomery (2x Olympic athlete) in a 100 meter dash and nearly set a state record at 230 lbs.

The NFL is littered with former T&F studs who would have re-written the Olympic record book had they chosen to go down that path... so welcome to the club RG3.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

Get back to me about RG3 being a better athlete than Cam when you have tape of RG3 doing this in a regular season NFL game:

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[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

There are no comparisons. Robert Griffin III will present a combination of skill and intelligence that the NFL has never seen before. Remember: Hard work beats talent every time. But if you work hard and you're talented, it's hard to be beat.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

There are no comparisons. Robert Griffin III will present a combination of skill and intelligence that the NFL has never seen before. Remember: Hard work beats talent every time. But if you work hard and you're talented, it's hard to be beat.

yeah, there really is no comparison. it's true in the opposite way you perceive however.

anybody who has compiled a stat in a real NFL game is currently a better NFL quarterback than robert griffin by his own admission (http://dc.sbnation.c...w-luck-redskins). jimmy clausen is a better NFL quarterback than robert griffin right now.

also i don't know what you're getting at with the "hard work vs. talent" dichotomy you're trying to set up here. we saw both facets at work when one cameron newton learned to run an NFL offense in six weeks with no OTAs and proceeded to smash records. we know what talent that works hard looks like in carolina.

[pOpCoRnPoPpEr]

Guess we'll see at the end of the season. I've already placed bets that RG3 will win more games then Cam did in his rookie season. I also have a bet with someone here that the Redskins will beat Carolina this year so i'm confident and willing to backup my statements.

[The NFL Shield At Midfield]

the redskins winning more than 6 games is a bet i'd take easy. griffin won't lose games for them and they have a good enough defense to hang in there if their offense is struggling.

4700 total yards and 35 TDs though? i'd be blown away if he sniffs it.

[Mage]

Andrew Luck had a faster 3 cone drill than Cam Newton......so he's far from stiff since the whole point of the drill is to measure change of direction and flexibility.

Watch them play and then tell me who has the better change of direction.

Maybe he isn't "stiff." But it is clear when watching them play who is more agile.

[rayzor]

anyone doubting cam newton's excellent work ethic or football IQ at this point is just a blind hater and worthy of being laughed at and then ignored for the troll they are.

i doubt we will ever see another rookie light it up like newton did, esp. in the situation he was in as a rookie.

rg3's fallen into a situation that was much more ideal than newton's...gets a full offseason with his coaching staff that has been in place for several years.

[rayzor]

Watch them play and then tell me who has the better change of direction.

Maybe he isn't "stiff." But it is clear when watching them play who is more agile.

luck is a much better athlete and runner than most gave him credit for (goes along with being a white athlete...for some reason you are assumed to be just smart but slow and not very athletic. stereotypes suck.).

that said, luck has nothing on newton as a runner. he'll still be a great QB and likely the best one taken in the draft this year.

[Beast_3000]

Newton's a better passer than either one.

Have said it before, but will say again. As far as QB prototypes, Newton bears far more similarity to Brett Favre or John Elway (big, athletic, not super accurate but near-perfect in spots and generally accurate enough to get the job done) than he does Vick, Young or McNabb.

I would say Elway/ Mcnabb ( in his prime). Young and Vick have not shown the ability to read through progressions like our boy CAM. It is only going to get better. I hope his accuracy continues to improve. No reason to believe otherwise. Most of his innaccurate throws came later in games, as he got away from the fundamentals of prototypical form.

[panthers55]

RGIII may be a special athlete but lets see if he is a special quarterback. Frankly there have been a number of very good athletes who were not that special at the quarterback position. Frankly athleticism is not the first quality most people associate with the quarterback position and not usually considered the most important. What made Newton so good last year was not just the athleticism (it helped) so much as his ability to pick things up so quickly and translate what he learned on Friday to the game on Sunday. Those are skills that Griffin has yet to demonstrate. What held Vick back was taking 4 or 5 years to learn the West Coast offense.

[Mage]

luck is a much better athlete and runner than most gave him credit for (goes along with being a white athlete...for some reason you are assumed to be just smart but slow and not very athletic. stereotypes suck.).

that said, luck has nothing on newton as a runner. he'll still be a great QB and likely the best one taken in the draft this year.

I agree. He is a good runner. Very tough when he runs. But his runs are in the mold of The Golden Calf of Bristol, not Newton or Vick. Newton, as I said, has freakish change of direction for someone that is 6'6, 250-260lbs. That is what makes him so difficult to stop in open field. I still remember that LSU run for 2010 where he just made one of the top defenses in the nation look silly. Luck isn't capable of something like that. He relies more on sheer power (his thighs are pretty big) than he does making you miss in the open field.

Griffin is a talented runner, but I don't think he has the COD or agility that Newton/Vick have to really take over a game with his legs like Newton and Vick are capable of if they wanted to.

Heck, he wasn't even that good of a runner in college. He finished the season averaging 3.9 YPC - that is pretty bad, and Griffin was in an even more wide open offense than Cam was. Newton averaged 5.6 YPC in college (against the SEC) and 5.4 last year IIRC. Even led the SEC in rushing yards and TDs too. This isn't directed at anybody but I just don't see how anybody could really expect Griffin to make an impact on the ground like Newton did. When you watch them play, you can tell Newton is superior with his legs and it isn't really close.

[panthers34]

way different qbs most people think hes faster than cam soo he will be better than him but thats not true and same for luck cam is a way better runner than both luck and rg3