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[prowler2k8]

I loled If he is calling plays in Denver I will be very, very surprised. Most likely McDaniels will be like most offensive minded HCs and call his own plays while having a OCINO ("OC in name only", who probably helps make the offensive gameplans and get the guys ready).

This is a sinecure type job for McCoy I bet.

I have to agree with you on this. IMO McCoy was never really a true QB coach, but when Henning was fired (as he preferred to do his own QB coaching), someone had to take over and that happened to be McCoy. He was an offensive assistant (quality control) prior to that, and QB coach position was obviously the next rung up the ladder for him here. Personally, I'm glad he left in favor of someone who will take coaching of the QBs more seriously.

I hope it does wonders for Jake's techniques/fundatmentals (or lack thereof).

[monstercat]

I like the "Joke Delhomme" thing. That's almost as clever as Trgocrap.

[carpanfan96]

spreading the ball around is not the problem but it is how some people generalize the problem associated with Joke Delhomme. These people just don't usually get the benefit of the doubt when trying to make their case and therefore get bombarded by completely irrelevant stats. Your 1 and 2 receivers should get most of the catches. That is why they are the #1 and #2!..duh. The targets and circumstances surrounding each play and how each individual fan perceives each of those circumstances is what is important, and each fan is entitled to their opinion regardless of the board nazis and their unilateral acceptance of all things Panther and the blackballing of opposition posters who don't bow down to their law.

For example: When I see Jake force balls downfield off his back foot into double coverage, I might say he should spread the ball around. Especially when the downfield target seems to be the same guy most of the time.

What I should say is that I am sick of seeing Joke force balls into bad spots and take risks that are not necessary and leave out the "spread the ball around" comment that these stat-hugging geniuses take so literal.

A stat that shows how many times a player is completed relative to other players does not really answer the issue at hand. I don't care who the top two receivers are, I just don't want the immature decision made no matter who the target is.

...So does the rayzor stat say he spreads the ball around relative to other QB's? YES

Does the stat say the he does not force the ball in bad spots when he could find another target a.k.a. "spread the ball around"? NO

That is why the stat huggers need to climb down off of their high horses sometimes and realize that a stat line does not PROVE anything when you take into account what is quite often lost in translation.

around and around we go

I said he forced throws, the stat isn't completions though, It's targets. The amount of total throws to a wr regardless of if they are caught or not.

For the most part it's the offense that we use, it's a run first then throw deep on Play action. Your not going to see a whole lot of dump offs in the style of offense we run. Do I think it should be utilized more, Definitely. I was comparing his total amount of targets for everyone I was just posting that the 1's and 2's are comparable to the rest of the league.

Since we don't utilize screen's and dump offs consistently his TE,RB numbers aren't going to compare to say a Bree's who's offense uses a lot of dump off and short passes.

[carolinarolls]

well in a play action offense we need a strong arm that can get it downfield and Smitty is the guy who can do that. Jake can find another guy if Smitty is getting loaded up on though and although Smitty is an excellent receiver, Joke should never make quite a few of the heaves he does IMO.

Fundamentally in a run first offense you want a guy who is a little more under control. You don't ever want to grind it out all game on the ground, play great defense and have some gunslinger give the game away because he can't take a little pressure at the end. Managing the game and heaving the ball intodouble coverage do not go hand in hand to me. So if a team is going to bank on a system QB to manage the game why in the hell do they not find one who's assets are decision making and accuracy over arm strength and fiery?

It just never has added up to me.

[carpanfan96]

I agree he doesn't really fit the rest of the offense. They've kinda built it around his strengths. He's a gunslinger that's always fired up, doesn't really mix with the run first approach the team has.

That being said, I'm excited to see what the new QB coach can do with him. This will be an interesting year for Delhomme for that fact alone. I'm hoping some of his problems get fixed at least.

[carolinarolls]

I'm hoping some of his problems get fixed at least.

I'll agree with that carpanfan

[scpanther22]

I agree he doesn't really fit the rest of the offense. They've kinda built it around his strengths. He's a gunslinger that's always fired up, doesn't really mix with the run first approach the team has.

That being said, I'm excited to see what the new QB coach can do with him. This will be an interesting year for Delhomme for that fact alone. I'm hoping some of his problems get fixed at least.

whats the def of a gunslinger..i see the term thrown around a lot..

[mantal]

whats the def of a gunslinger..i see the term thrown around a lot..

Someone that whips it down field into double coverage, time and again. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes you get the blues. Normally, if you're pretty good at it, you win more than you lose and that's been Jake's MO untill the last game, when he definitely lost...

[scpanther22]

Someone that whips it down field into double coverage, time and again. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes you get the blues. Normally, if you're pretty good at it, you win more than you lose and that's been Jake's MO untill the last game, when he definitely lost...

just saying i have never heard anybody outside of the fans call jake a gunslinger...farve yes..but thats about it

[carolinarolls]

just saying i have never heard anybody outside of the fans call jake a gunslinger...farve yes..but thats about it

he definitely fits the mold of a gunslinger. It is funny you mentioned favre too.I don't know too many gunslingers who have been successful other than Brett. Joke is more of a gunslinger than any other type of QB.

[mantal]

just saying i have never heard anybody outside of the fans call jake a gunslinger...farve yes..but thats about it

Jakes been called that for years and not just here, but that's probably where it started, Gantt, Yas, Chandler or whatever. He's been known as a poor man's Farve for his entire career. Hard to t believe you haven't heard that before?

[bleys]

The more I read the more I am lead to believe that we have trimmed some major fat in the coaching staff this offseason.

I fully see the last year up until now as a change in philosophy in Hurney/Fox... I think some of the best Panther football may lie ahead due to these 2 figuring out what works and what doesn't. Just a hunch, means nothing. =)

[rayzor]

For example: When I see Jake force balls downfield off his back foot into double coverage, I might say he should spread the ball around. Especially when the downfield target seems to be the same guy most of the time.

What I should say is that I am sick of seeing Joke force balls into bad spots and take risks that are not necessary

i do agree with this. i have never said that he was a premiere QB. he is bret favre lite, and i don't mean that as a compliment... he makes bold/head-scratching throws that will more often than not work out but a lot of that has to do with who he is throwing to.

he has a lot of problems and is far from perfect but not the worst in the league (not that just being better than the worst is something that we should ever strive for).

i think a lot of his problems are things that could be coached out and it sounds like we have the right QB coach to do it. will it be a success? i don't know but i'm really hoping that he does and i think he can.

as far as my resorting to stats...i know it only shows part of the story and i was only addressing part of the story. that part was that jake only targets smith. i was showing that the number of targets and stats didn't show that. he does spread it around and always has. has he done it wisely? not as much as he should. that is what i am hoping changes this offseason.

[carpanfan96]

i do agree with this. i have never said that he was a premiere QB. he is bret favre lite, and i don't mean that as a compliment... he makes bold/head-scratching throws that will more often than not work out but a lot of that has to do with who he is throwing to.

he has a lot of problems and is far from perfect but not the worst in the league (not that just being better than the worst is something that we should ever strive for).

i think a lot of his problems are things that could be coached out and it sounds like we have the right QB coach to do it. will it be a success? i don't know but i'm really hoping that he does and i think he can.

as far as my resorting to stats...i know it only shows part of the story and i was only addressing part of the story. that part was that jake only targets smith. i was showing that the number of targets and stats didn't show that. he does spread it around and always has. has he done it wisely? not as much as he should. that is what i am hoping changes this offseason.

Well said and I completely agree.