Mini Camp Articles (Blogs/Columns)

[scpanther22]

the stats say peppes is a top 10 DE..with 14.5 sacks..yet he gets overpowered by backups..stats can be misleading and everybody knows that but seem to forget that when it comes too jake i want to have your kids because you are the best QB ever dellhomme

[Kurb]

I was just knocking the statement, not disagreeing with it

[carpanfan96]

no the stats count his missed throws as well, he targets smitty and moose similar then other QB's, this stat goes off of targets not completions so it takes into account every time he throws one of there directions. You also have to take into consideration the type of Offense we run which has been primarily 2 wr sets.

Does he force throws, Yes. But to say he locks onto his receivers any different then other QB's is a lie, as the target percentage that Smith and Moose get is similar to any other 1 or 2 in the league as they are all with in a percentage of each other for the most part.

Actually Smitty's target rate was pretty low for a #1 wr in the league (especially one who's QB has locked on too,) which seems to point out that he targets his 2 more often then some other QB's (notable Qb's as well) in the league do. So No the Target stat doesn't lie, because it's not really a stat. It's what actually happens. (hence the Target percentage = all total throws thrown by said QB to that receiver compared to the other WR/TE/RB on the team.)

[mantal]

no the stats count his missed throws as well, he targets smitty and moose similar then other QB's, this stat goes off of targets not completions so it takes into account every time he throws one of there directions. You also have to take into consideration the type of Offense we run which has been primarily 2 wr sets.

Does he force throws, Yes. But to say he locks onto his receivers any different then other QB's is a lie, as the target percentage that Smith and Moose get is similar to any other 1 or 2 in the league as they are all with in a percentage of each other for the most part.

Actually Smitty's target rate was pretty low for a #1 wr in the league (especially one who's QB has locked on too,) which seems to point out that he targets his 2 more often then some other QB's (notable Qb's as well) in the league do. So No the Target stat doesn't lie, because it's not really a stat. It's what actually happens. (hence the Target percentage = all total throws thrown by said QB to that receiver compared to the other WR/TE/RB on the team.)

Well done! I hate it when people respond with emotion and refuse to look at what actually happened in their haste to condemn, anyone...

[carolinarolls]

the stats say peppes is a top 10 DE..with 14.5 sacks..yet he gets overpowered by backups..stats can be misleading and everybody knows that but seem to forget that when it comes too jake i want to have your kids because you are the best QB ever dellhomme

the stat-huggers on this site don't believe anything unless a player profile on NFL.com tells them to.

I doubt half of these people even watch the game. All they seem to care about are the stats at the end.

[Mr. Scot]

Sorry guys, but you can't make a statement about something that's measurable and then turn around and deny the truth when someone shows you that the measurements prove you wrong.

That'd be like insisting that Steve Smith is taller than Kenny Moore, and then when someone shows you their official height listings saying "I don't care what the stats say. I've seen them" :sosp:

Spin this any way you want to, but when you're wrong, and shown to be wrong, it's generally best to just admit it and move on.

[dexterpyro]

Sorry guys, but you can't make a statement about something that's measurable and then turn around and deny the truth when someone shows you that the measurements prove you wrong.

That'd be like insisting that Steve Smith is taller than Kenny Moore, and then when someone shows you their official height listings saying "I don't care what the stats say. I've seen them" :sosp:

Spin this any way you want to, but when you're wrong, and shown to be wrong, it's generally best to just admit it and move on.

agreed

[bleys]

I hope so. It sure sounds like Henning and McCoy weren't really QB coaches in the sense I wanted them to be. Mc Coy isn't gonna have to do ISH in Denver with McDaniels there because McDaniels is a REAL ACTUAL QB coach and a playcaller.

I always HATED the barrel drill too, and Scherer has already replaced it. Too bad the old board isn't here so I could link to where I used to whine about it. lol

McCoy seems to me as the guy you hire to carry the footballs onto the field or set up drills while you coach...

[bleys]

Spreading the ball thing has already been proved false, Smitty and Mooses numbers as the 1 and 2 wr are right in line with the rest of the leagues 1's & 2's in percentage of passes that go their way.

Technically I wouldn't call that spreading the ball around (just your 1 and 2)...

Just sayin...

[carolinarolls]

spreading the ball around is not the problem but it is how some people generalize the problem associated with Joke Delhomme. These people just don't usually get the benefit of the doubt when trying to make their case and therefore get bombarded by completely irrelevant stats. Your 1 and 2 receivers should get most of the catches. That is why they are the #1 and #2!..duh. The targets and circumstances surrounding each play and how each individual fan perceives each of those circumstances is what is important, and each fan is entitled to their opinion regardless of the board nazis and their unilateral acceptance of all things Panther and the blackballing of opposition posters who don't bow down to their law.

For example: When I see Jake force balls downfield off his back foot into double coverage, I might say he should spread the ball around. Especially when the downfield target seems to be the same guy most of the time.

What I should say is that I am sick of seeing Joke force balls into bad spots and take risks that are not necessary and leave out the "spread the ball around" comment that these stat-hugging geniuses take so literal.

A stat that shows how many times a player is completed relative to other players does not really answer the issue at hand. I don't care who the top two receivers are, I just don't want the immature decision made no matter who the target is.

...So does the rayzor stat say he spreads the ball around relative to other QB's? YES

Does the stat say the he does not force the ball in bad spots when he could find another target a.k.a. "spread the ball around"? NO

That is why the stat huggers need to climb down off of their high horses sometimes and realize that a stat line does not PROVE anything when you take into account what is quite often lost in translation.

around and around we go

[Kurb]

Technically I wouldn't call that spreading the ball around (just your 1 and 2)...

Just sayin...

Depends on the offensive scheme.

Ideally Jake only throws 20ish passes a game.

10 to Steve

5 to Moose

5 to everyone else

[Kurb]

For example: When I see Jake force balls downfield off his back foot into double coverage, I might say he should spread the ball around. Especially when the downfield target seems to be the same guy most of the time.

What I should say is that I am sick of seeing Joke force balls into bad spots and take risks that are not necessary and leave out the "spread the ball around" comment that these stat-hugging geniuses take so literal.

This is correct.

[Fireball77]

McCoy seems to me as the guy you hire to carry the footballs onto the field or set up drills while you coach...

I loled If he is calling plays in Denver I will be very, very surprised. Most likely McDaniels will be like most offensive minded HCs and call his own plays while having a OCINO ("OC in name only", who probably helps make the offensive gameplans and get the guys ready).

This is a sinecure type job for McCoy I bet.

[Kurb]

The more I read the more I am lead to believe that we have trimmed some major fat in the coaching staff this offseason.