Now We Can Talk Football Without The Trolls Or Newbies Involved

[Marguide]

I don't see the TEs contributing less....

Regardless of the Cam tweaks and how sexy the backfield looks on paper....TE play is a staple of what Chud/Norv believe in.

Two factors:

1) Trading out Shock for G.B.

2) Contributions of Tolbert

[rayzor]

I don't see the TEs contributing less....

Regardless of the Cam tweaks and how sexy the backfield looks on paper....TE play is a staple of what Chud/Norv believe in.

Two factors:

1) Trading out Shock for G.B.

2) Contributions of Tolbert

i agree with CRA re: TEs not taking a back seat necessarily. There might be a little drop off bc of barney instead of shockey, but 2 TE sets will still be prevalent. I think that the addition of tolbert will pick up whatever slack exists and that tolbert will be used in a lot of ways like a TE.

[KillerKat]

At this point our roster will be 90 players. You can't be a bubble player at this point when we haven't even had our first OTA. We could add 10 players to the roster between now and August. Is the intent of this thread to be the first person to say something no matter how premature?? Is so then this thread is right on........

Anyone who is making predictions now is doing so off of last year not this one. At this point no one knows who has stayed the same, improved, or regressed. Deciding who will be good or bad is based on the past and not at all on the present or the future.

I don't hate any of the threads, since I would have to care about them enough to feel strongly about them one way or the other. I just find that making thread about starting lineups, bubble players, etc is pretty ridiculous given we haven even had our first OTAs and even seen any of the players this year. I just don't agree with the thought process that suggests that players don't get better, benefit from the offseason, or change. And to make an assessment off of last year's performance is doing just that. Even then the team is picked from the best players on the roster. How do we know who the best are until we actually see them play with pads on this year????

I think that if you are going to debate this early it makes a little sense to discuss perhaps what type of secondary coverage we might run and who might best fit for example based on their skills sets historically or speed or whatever. You could look at the offensive line players we have brought in and perhaps discuss who might best fit in an option offense. Sure it is speculation and is based on what we expect to do rather than waiting to see what happens but makes sense for the off-season. Your bubble thread will make a ton of sense in August, it is just about 3 months premature.

Please tell me the difference of predicting bubble players and predicting who will start,like you are in this thread, and why other posters threads making predictions are premature but yours is perfectly fine. Thread title is pretty ironic.

[Peppers90 NC]

As usual PhillyB is right on point... I simply ignore the idiots and read the guys who I've figured out already know what they are talking about. Responding to the foolishness only makes the trolls thrive more...

Plus this time of year is always more than a bit silly... not much to talk about other than sheer speculation...

...but posting boobs is never a bad thing. :)

number of posts <<< number of quality posts. of course, there is no way to judge quality posts, but if someone had posted 5,000 gifs, they are considered an elder.

[PantherPhann89]

Seems to me that the advantage of posting in a forum where you have to have 5000 posts before you can contribute is that you automatically keep the new trolls and newbies out of the conversation. Interestingly though, no threads of any substance have even been attempted. So let me get the party started with a few questions.

It is early of course but lets make a few predictions. In a few months we can look back and see who actually knows what they are talking about,

Which of our DTs which start at the undertackle assuming Edwards starts at the nose.

Does Martin start at FS or will one of the new guys take over??

Who is listed starter at tailback? Stewart or Williams??

Regarding the schemes.....

Will we come out in the pistol formation and continue what we did last year or was that a function of doing the best we could with no off-season and installing on the run? In other words with more time to develop and implement the scheme will we try more traditional pocket passing, or continue the spread option scheme we ran last year which is what opponents will be preparing for. Or we will do something new like run a triple option or something else?? Isn't Chud a master innovator?? How many times will be put Tolbert, Williams, and Stewart in the backfield at the same time??

Last year we ran mostly a cover 2 bland scheme on defense. Obviously this year will be different and with everyone coming back we should be better. But will be go with a more attacking style with mostly man coverage or a fire zone coverage? Will we blitz on just about every play or only occasionally. Will we use more misdirection with the line or mostly count on blitzes from the linebackers to get pressure?

What are the opinions about what we will do from those who have been around a while?????

My opinion???

Neblett will start at undertackle

Nakamura will be free safety

Williams will start at tailback but Stewart will play as much or more than Williams.

They will line up all three backs on 20% of running plays and rarely on passing plays.

We will use a primary man coverage system and use zone on blitzing downs. We will blitz someone on most downs.

We will use a spread option system most of the time. We will use more 3 and 4 wide sets with an empty backfield more often this year given Newton's better defensive reading of the secondary.

1. 5000 posts before you can contribute: I agree with keeping crap out of the Huddle but not keeping new Panther fans from contributing. Our fan base is growing daily and they need a place to share their ideas, what better place than here. With the exception of a few know it alls that think their opinions are the only ones that matter, a few school teachers that want to correct everyones spelling and grammar in a forum, the Huddle is it.

2. see who actually knows what they are talking about: There may be a few people on here that has inside information, but outside of them, we're fans with opinions and the Huddle is a place to share those opinions.

A few of my opinions:

I think that Edwards will start and the other DT's will rotate amongst each other and Edwards when he needs a break or when Rivera wants to run a certain scheme.

I don't think that Martin will start. I think that he is on Rivera short list, not to be confused with the other list that Goodson was on.

I think that Armanti will be cut before the start of the season.

I think that Kuechly will do well at WLB but will also rotate through MLB and SLB to give offenses different looks and to give Kuechly gametime experience.

I don't know it all but I am a Panther Phann that likes the Huddle. I don't want actuall fans to be punished for trolls threads/post. We're fans of the Carolina Panthers, I like us treat each other like we're supporting the same team instead of ridiculing each other.

[Peppers90 NC]

Please tell me the difference of predicting bubble players and predicting who will start,like you are in this thread, and why other posters threads making predictions are premature but yours is perfectly fine. Thread title is pretty ironic.

this goes into more than just depth chart, but also into scheme. when it really comes down to the good stuff, there are a lot of people incapable of actually contributing.

[Marguide]

i agree with CRA re: TEs not taking a back seat necessarily. There might be a little drop off bc of barney instead of shockey, but 2 TE sets will still be prevalent. I think that the addition of tolbert will pick up whatever slack exists and that tolbert will be used in a lot of ways like a TE.

And that slight drop off is exactly what I am talking about. Unless Barney really surprises, it doesn't seem likely that we will approach 1000 yds from the TE's like in 2011.

Yes, Tolbert will take up the slack, along with greater production from the #2 WR spot, whoever that turns out to be.

[Kuech the Sneak]

Neblett at UT

Nakamura at FS

Williams and Stewart have a 50/50 split in carries but Williams is technically the starter

[panthers55]

Please tell me the difference of predicting bubble players and predicting who will start,like you are in this thread, and why other posters threads making predictions are premature but yours is perfectly fine. Thread title is pretty ironic.

Because bubble players are not even on the bubble at this point and won't be until it comes down to final cuts. Making a prediction whether Williams or Stewart will be called the starter, is completely different. Things like whether we try to sign Stewart long term or who we have more loyalty to at this point will determine who is the declared the starter which may be symbolic more than anything given Williams was declared the starter last year but Stewart got more total touches.

Totally different discussing issues with players who will be here versus guys who may not last long enough to even be called bubble players. I am surprised you can't see the obvious difference.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Reggie Smith should be the Safety...Nakamura is simply a scrappy Special Teamer who specializes in hit stick!

[CRA]

Two factors:

1) Trading out Shock for G.B.

2) Contributions of Tolbert

1. We don't know we are done adding players.....and Shock wasnt that good....scheme was.

2. Tolbert is going to aid with pass protection.

Chud/Norv have the TE spot as a key role in how the offense works. Don't let the RB depth fool you.....it still is just something pretty on paper.

1WR, TE, RB are key in this scheme

2WR, RB depth....not so much.

[CRA]

Better question is who will be the most productive RB. It is a no brainer that Williams with his contract and the fact 1st down is his main role gets the starter "label".

[Snake]

[Kevin Greene]

So what happened to the League of Huddle Elders Forum thing?