Delhomme to 40??

[Fiz]

awww look how butt hurt raging bull got. maybe you can pull something up from a fan board real fast to explain why you're so irrelevant.

im still amused your argument has transitioned from your original claim that carriker has done nothing (boy you've abandoned that real fast) to arguing different positions in a defense st louis doesn't play anymore using terms you don't understand to taking time to space out little insults to me to escape the profanity filter.

you're pathetic.

[frash.exe]

awww look how butt hurt raging bull got. maybe you can pull something up from a fan board real fast to explain why you're so irrelevant.

im still amused your argument has transitioned from your original claim that carriker has done nothing (boy you've abandoned that real fast) to arguing different positions in a defense st louis doesn't play anymore using terms you don't understand to taking time to space out little insults to me to escape the profanity filter.

you're pathetic.

Maybe you can explain to me why any discussion involving you deteriorates into this? Maybe you have an undiagnosed inferiority complex and you try to overcompensate for your worthless little existence by insulting everyone so you can make yourself feel better.

Carriker has done nothing. He's done nothing to improve the defensive line of St Louis. They were awful before he got there and they are still awful you boastful little prag. Why you can't grasp this concept is beyond me. St Louis still isn't sure what this kid is good at playing on the line.

[Fireball77]

I could be wrong but I BELIEVE regardless of what defense St Louis was running, they used Carriker like a 3-4 NT. We actually kind of do the same thing with Kemo (who btw only had 36 tackles and NO sacks in the 4-3 OMG BUST!!!1)

Is Carriker a zero tech? I thought Kemo was more of a one tech? But yeah, those aren't stats guys, no doubt.

[Fiz]

WHy DO yOU MAKE THESE CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS

/giggles while he fixes fiz's name to Jizz

[AKPantherFan]

Bottom Line....

Jake has PISSED US ALL OFF--

But boy has he MADE US ALL SMILE TOO!

I expect about the same, just like in boxing, most of the time the guy who throws the most blows ends up winning.

Jake has consistently gotten us close, or even close enough to smell the victory of being SB winners.

With every chance he gets and a SOLID team around him, we will continue to have that opportunity.

But yes, at some point his age will make him a different man, but that is not something that is an issue this season.

So everyone STFU, get your pants on and enjoy the ride.

(just do what i do and keep something by the couch [something soft] to throw at the Tv when Jake does something stupid )

[DaveThePanther2008]

my rebuttal?

The last FOUR superbowls were won by teams who started a first round QB. And on the contrary with what you thought about Big Ben being a "game manager". Are we talking about the same Ben Roethlisberger who threw TDs and INTs to a 7-1 ratio and over 200 yards a game passing in the playoffs before the SB? So that's just "managing a game"?

SO all you've proved to me is that it is a risk to draft QBs in the first round. ...I already knew that. Drafting players in general is a risk.

Next assignment for you: Find every single UDFA QB as far back as you can in history that at least got a shot on a team roster and tell me what the percentage is of finding one who can lead a team to the playoffs and beyond.

...is it 1%? 0.08%?

Your Super Bowl HERO in Super Bowl XL was 9-21-123-0-2, To win with those numbers. HE MANAGED a great running game. The only TD was thrown by Randle El.

Let me ask you this? Which QB would you take?

21-30 256 1 1 or 16-33 323 3 0? Do you know whose box score that is?

That's right Jake Delhomme had better stats then your precious Big Ben in his BETTER Super Bowl. That was after Jake started 1-6 in the 1st quarter finished with 15-27. He had drives of 95, 81, 90, 80,in the 4th Q That is Stellar play from a QB.

You want underdrafted F.A. Percentages go look it up yourself.

Bottom line you have just a good an opportunity to have a "Super Bowl Winning" Quarterback in any round. Going for one in the 1st round does nothing, guarantees nothing, but missing on him cost you so much more than a later round QB. Those 1st rounders you have invested TONS of money on. So you have to waste a couple of years before you put your tail between your legs and say he is a bust. 2nd round and beyond not so much a shame if he doesn't pan out.

OH BTW Carolina did the "Franchise QB" route once before. Remember Kerry Collins 1995 Penn St? Where did it get us? It got us to 1-15. It got us Jeff Lewis, It got us Chris Wienke, Rodney Peete and Steve Buerlien were the only QB's that remotely kept us afloat. But both of them were in the twilight of their careers. We wasted 8 years because of the Fug up. It wasn't until we stole Jake from N.O. that we turned this Franchise around.

IF you insist on your B.S. puts some numbers up. I will Always find better.

[Spike]

Who exactly led all those drives to win games late in the 4th quarter and in OT? Has another qb been subbing in on these occasions?

Who was so awful the first 3 quarters that come from behind wins in the 4th quarter were necessary?

[frash.exe]

Your Super Bowl HERO in Super Bowl XL was 9-21-123-0-2, To win with those numbers. HE MANAGED a great running game. The only TD was thrown by Randle El.

Let me ask you this? Which QB would you take?

Um, don't know if you realize this but yea it wasn't the best game but he did more than managing a game the previous three. ...And since he hasn't completely blown up in playoff games and come apart like Jake has his last two, you know, I guess I'd take Big Ben over him.

That's right Jake Delhomme had better stats then your precious Big Ben in his BETTER Super Bowl. That was after Jake started 1-6 in the 1st quarter finished with 15-27. He had drives of 95, 81, 90, 80,in the 4th Q That is Stellar play from a QB.

Yes, he did. SIX years ago. When are people going to realize every year isn't 2003? When has Jake achieved that level of greatness in a playoff game last? 3 years ago at chicago? ...a lot changes in 3 years.

Bottom line you have just a good an opportunity to have a "Super Bowl Winning" Quarterback in any round. Going for one in the 1st round does nothing, guarantees nothing, but missing on him cost you so much more than a later round QB. Those 1st rounders you have invested TONS of money on. So you have to waste a couple of years before you put your tail between your legs and say he is a bust. 2nd round and beyond not so much a shame if he doesn't pan out.

what's in bold is a complete falsehood. For instance, I'll do 2nd and 3rd round QBs from the past ten drafts.

Shaun King

Brock Huard

Giovanni Carmazzi

Chris Redman

Drew Brees

Quincy Carter

Marques Tuiasosopo

Josh McCown

Dave Ragone

Chris Simms

Matt Schaub

Charlie Frye

Andrew Walter

David Greene

Kellen Clemens

Tarvaris Jackson

Charlie Whitehurst

Brodie Croyle

Kevin Kolb

Drew Stanton

Trent Edwards

Brian Brohm

Chad Henne

Kevin O'Connell

...that list is just FILLED with winners, right?

OH BTW Carolina did the "Franchise QB" route once before. Remember Kerry Collins 1995 Penn St? Where did it get us? It got us to 1-15. It got us Jeff Lewis, It got us Chris Wienke, Rodney Peete and Steve Buerlien were the only QB's that remotely kept us afloat. But both of them were in the twilight of their careers. We wasted 8 years because of the Fug up. It wasn't until we stole Jake from N.O. that we turned this Franchise around.

lol

I thought it was Weinke under center in 2001? How do you say Kerry was totally responsible for all of that? Kerry's problem was that he didn't want to be in an "ugly uniform" as he put it and he wasn't the right fit here but it's a long shot that failed experiment alone cost us so many years. Bad coaching, bad drafting, bad FA scouting in general hurt us way worse than Collins could. So he didn't work out. That means every QB we draft in the 1st is bound to turn into a drunken racist?

I guess people just don't realize how INCREDIBLY lucky we got with Jake.

[KillerKat]

ownage

[mantal]

Um, don't know if you realize this but yea it wasn't the best game but he did more than managing a game the previous three. ...And since he hasn't completely blown up in playoff games and come apart like Jake has his last two, you know, I guess I'd take Big Ben over him.

Yes, he did. SIX years ago. When are people going to realize every year isn't 2003? When has Jake achieved that level of greatness in a playoff game last? 3 years ago at chicago? ...a lot changes in 3 years.

what's in bold is a complete falsehood. For instance, I'll do 2nd and 3rd round QBs from the past ten drafts.

Shaun King

Brock Huard

Giovanni Carmazzi

Chris Redman

Drew Brees

Quincy Carter

Marques Tuiasosopo

Josh McCown

Dave Ragone

Chris Simms

Matt Schaub

Charlie Frye

Andrew Walter

David Greene

Kellen Clemens

Tarvaris Jackson

Charlie Whitehurst

Brodie Croyle

Kevin Kolb

Drew Stanton

Trent Edwards

Brian Brohm

Chad Henne

Kevin O'Connell

...that list is just FILLED with winners, right?

lol

I thought it was Weinke under center in 2001? How do you say Kerry was totally responsible for all of that? Kerry's problem was that he didn't want to be in an "ugly uniform" as he put it and he wasn't the right fit here but it's a long shot that failed experiment alone cost us so many years. Bad coaching, bad drafting, bad FA scouting in general hurt us way worse than Collins could. So he didn't work out. That means every QB we draft in the 1st is bound to turn into a drunken racist?

I guess people just don't realize how INCREDIBLY lucky we got with Jake.

I can't argue with you. I don't agree with you, but I can't argue with you. Let's see...

[QuasiYoda]

Jake is Brett Farve Jr without all of the apparent selfishness of Farve's Later years. Jake is a Fiery Leader. I remember his first game. He came in and totally polarized the team. Came from behind and won the game. He has fired up that teams more times then you know or give him credit for. He is the river boat gambler/gunslinger type not the Trent Green Game manager type. He and Steve Smith are the Heart and Soul of the Carolina Panthers. I don't want to see another Muhsin Mohammed tradeaway let down because some whiners don't know what true value is . .

This new quarterbacks coach can only be good for him and the team. Refine his fundamentals and thus allow his SPIRIT to carry the day while polishing his rough edges. Thus allowing Jake to make fewer and better gambles. After All Jake Delhomme is the Greatest Leader in Panther's History.

When John Elway's Broncos FINALLY Won the Super Bowl (twice) it wasn't because of where had been drafted or his amazing legs/escapability or arm . . . it was because of his leadership and an incredible running game with Terrel Davis. At 38 so much of Elway's skill set had eroded but his team believed in him. And Remember the Year before they won their First Super Bowl in Team History they went 13-3 had a bye in the playoffs and lost their first game at home against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Very much like the Carolina Panthers. The Jaguars that didn't even win it's next game against the Pats who lost to Green Bay in the Super Bowl so it really stung their psyche.

We already have TWO fine back up QB's either one could come out and be a Rothlisberger, a Matt Cassel, or a Jake Delhomme so quit being whiney little witches with a capital B. The O Line, The Running Game, The Defense all are strong and will serve to make our Offense and quarter back better. If one of our back ups come in they should have the opportunity to get their game going with that running game and those receivers . . .

Quit mucking the boards up with all the defeatist whining! So often in life one must stay the course adjusting the detail of a system that is working until it truly triumphs! Watch what happens this year. Panther's do better in odd numbered years. Look at 08 and look for something better in 09

[frash.exe]

listen, if people just want to tell me part of their motivation to defend Jake is because they harbor hope for him I'm fine with that, and I'll be cordial. I hope he collects himself too, he plays on the Panthers. If Peppers comes back I'm compelled to root for him too, since he's going to be playing most of the downs on defense and the better he does the better the defensive line does.

...but people tend to let that get in the way of the truth. So on this thread I've seen Jake compared to a guy who has accomplished more in his first 5 years than Delhomme could ever accomplish. A guy who, led a game winning touchdown drive just a few months ago in the superbowl, a guy who has a better playoff record than Jake does, and a guy with a better postseason passer rating (87.2 vs 83.3). but but but Dave the Panther was right based on his analysis breakdown of Jake Delhomme's best game vs Ben Roethlisberger's worst game.

From an unbiased standpoint, let's be completely honest here. How can people say with a straight face that Jake Delhomme is a better QB option than Ben Roethlisberger? Would anybody say that in the face of a non-Panther fan? (it doesn't even have to be a steelers fan) They just might laugh in your face.

[frash.exe]

jesus christ now we're comparing Jake to John Elway

I quit.

[scpanther22]

Jake is Brett Farve Jr without all of the apparent selfishness of Farve's Later years. Jake is a Fiery Leader. I remember his first game. He came in and totally polarized the team. Came from behind and won the game. He has fired up that teams more times then you know or give him credit for. He is the river boat gambler/gunslinger type not the Trent Green Game manager type. He and Steve Smith are the Heart and Soul of the Carolina Panthers. I don't want to see another Muhsin Mohammed tradeaway let down because some whiners don't know what true value is . .

This new quarterbacks coach can only be good for him and the team. Refine his fundamentals and thus allow his SPIRIT to carry the day while polishing his rough edges. Thus allowing Jake to make fewer and better gambles. After All Jake Delhomme is the Greatest Leader in Panther's History.

When John Elway's Broncos FINALLY Won the Super Bowl (twice) it wasn't because of where had been drafted or his amazing legs/escapability or arm . . . it was because of his leadership and an incredible running game with Terrel Davis. At 38 so much of Elway's skill set had eroded but his team believed in him. And Remember the Year before they won their First Super Bowl in Team History they went 13-3 had a bye in the playoffs and lost their first game at home against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Very much like the Carolina Panthers. The Jaguars that didn't even win it's next game against the Pats who lost to Green Bay in the Super Bowl so it really stung their psyche.

We already have TWO fine back up QB's either one could come out and be a Rothlisberger, a Matt Cassel, or a Jake Delhomme so quit being whiney little witches with a capital B. The O Line, The Running Game, The Defense all are strong and will serve to make our Offense and quarter back better. If one of our back ups come in they should have the opportunity to get their game going with that running game and those receivers . . .

Quit mucking the boards up with all the defeatist whining! So often in life one must stay the course adjusting the detail of a system that is working until it truly triumphs! Watch what happens this year. Panther's do better in odd numbered years. Look at 08 and look for something better in 09

do your knees hurt...