Delhomme to 40??

[Taom82]

Jesus I'm tired of all the love him or hate him blind sightedness. Not everything is black and white. He's shown that he is the leader of the offense and is capable of being a winning qb. He's also shown that the arm is still an issue, and that coupled with his hot and cold streaks, can be a major issue. Point is, it's naive as hell to lump everyone into one of two opposing camps.

[DaveThePanther2008]

You are 100% correct. I am a fan of Jake. I don't forget what he has done. You can also go back and see where I have accused him of having tunnel vision. or Smitty Vision if you will.

My point is he deserves the opportunity to redeem himself. He is a winning QB. He has given us 2 NFC championship games and our ONLY Super Bowl visit. IN 04 when we had no running game he kept us going. 04 was an MVP type of season. MVP, maybe not in numbers but in leadership and poise. To lose everything we did that year and still put us on the brink of a playoff spot.

He is the heart of the "Cardiac Cats". You cannot live with the good and trash him with the bad.

Let him redeem himself and move on. If the elbow is still an issue and he can't do it. Then we move on to the next QB. I get aggravated when fans want to swap QB's like they are running their fantasy teams. Swapping a QB is not just changing a name in the lineup. The whole team psychi is at stake. If Jake is done, he'll be the 1st to tell you. He feels he can still lead us. I am on his bandwagon.

[carolinarolls]

Hurney believes all sorts of off the wall things. Believing Joke's arm is young is only one of them. But that one doesn't hold a candle to his believing Joke is the the right man for the job in Charlotte.

Hurney's moves are just as easily described as laughable as they are beneficial.

[King Taharqa]

2005 Jason Campbell Washington Redskins BUST

2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans BUST

2006 Jay Cutler Denver Broncos PRO BOWL

2007 Brady Quinn Cleveland Browns TOO SOON TO TELL

2008 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons ROY

2008 Joe Flacco Baltimore Ravens TOO SOON TO TELL

Jason Campbell is not a BUST. Any QB who leads his team to a playoff appearance should not be considered 1. And I'm laughing that you call Vince Young 1, but praise Cutler. LOL. Cutler has just as many pro bowls as Vince Young, but unlike Young has a losing record as a starter, no playoff snaps, and did not win ROY. If Matt Ryan bombs next year and the Falcons suck (which history says they will do) will he become a bust too? Vince should be like Quinn (who's done much less than Vince at this point) "TOO SOON TO TELL".

[Fiz]

oh look king taharqa is here to defend any slights against black qbs just like he always is

Jason Campbell is not a BUST. Any QB who leads his team to a playoff appearance should not be considered 1.

Jason Campbell didn't lead his team to the playoffs. They were dead in the water before Todd Collins came in and they started playing out of their minds following Sean Taylor's tragic death.

He's a poor man's Byron Leftwich: big arm, slow release, and exactly the kind of QB that wouldn't be drafted in the first round anymore. Washington has gone out of its way to get rid of him/replace him this offseason.

And I'm laughing that you call Vince Young 1, but praise Cutler. LOL. Cutler has just as many pro bowls as Vince Young,

ahhh yes, the pro bowl argument.

but unlike Young has a losing record as a starter,

ahh yes, the w/l record attributed to one player

no playoff snaps,

ahh yes, the playoff record attributed to one player

and did not win ROY.

rick mirer hall of fame qb

keep in mind young shouldn't have won ROtY anyway and he hasn't done anything since except shown he didn't deserve it.

If Matt Ryan bombs next year and the Falcons suck (which history says they will do) will he become a bust too?

pretty much yes.

Vince should be like Quinn (who's done much less than Vince at this point) "TOO SOON TO TELL".

No one in the world is defending Quinn. Young has had three seasons to prove he can't read a defense, throw accurately, avoid putting the ball on the ground, keep his shirt on at gay clubs, or lead a team.

[Kevin Greene]

Jason Campbell is not a BUST. Any QB who leads his team to a playoff appearance should not be considered 1. And I'm laughing that you call Vince Young 1, but praise Cutler. LOL. Cutler has just as many pro bowls as Vince Young, but unlike Young has a losing record as a starter, no playoff snaps, and did not win ROY. If Matt Ryan bombs next year and the Falcons suck (which history says they will do) will he become a bust too? Vince should be like Quinn (who's done much less than Vince at this point) "TOO SOON TO TELL".

Also, Jim Everett bust?

Pro Bowler who passed for 35,000 yards in his career. At one point passing for 3000 plus yards 7 out of 8 years in a row. Managed the Ernie Zampiese offense for the Rams at the height of it's effectiveness. Everett to Henry Ellard and Flipper Anderson was quite a combo.

I disagree with the Bust label.

[King Taharqa]

oh look king taharqa is here to defend any slights against black qbs just like he always is

Of course, cuz you aint gonna do it. Its easier to follow the "they all suck" logic around here.

Jason Campbell didn't lead his team to the playoffs. They were dead in the water before Todd Collins came in and they started playing out of their minds following Sean Taylor's tragic death.

He's a poor man's Byron Leftwich: big arm, slow release, and exactly the kind of QB that wouldn't be drafted in the first round anymore. Washington has gone out of its way to get rid of him/replace him this offseason.

Still would not call him a BUST. Im not even a big fan of Campbell but the guy is solid.

ahhh yes, the pro bowl argument.

Isnt that why you were so high on Cutler? It surely couldntve been him folding down the stretch last year or the fact he really hasnt done poo in this league but sport a funny haircut and strongarm the Broncos.

ahh yes, the w/l record attributed to one player

...who has the most impact on a game. Jake defenders use it all the time around here.

ahh yes, the playoff record attributed to one player

...who has the most impact on a game. Jake defenders use it all the time around here.

keep in mind young shouldn't have won ROtY anyway and he hasn't done anything since except shown he didn't deserve it.

Yeah but he did, so your point it moot. He made the playoffs. Something we're ready to give our mediocre QB a huge contract extension for.

pretty much yes.

If Matt Ryan & Atlanta flop I still would not consider him a "bust". He'll just have had a bad sophomore campaign and wont be the "saviour" he's proclaimed to be.

No one in the world is defending Quinn. Young has had three seasons to prove he can't read a defense, throw accurately, avoid putting the ball on the ground, keep his shirt on at gay clubs, or lead a team.

Delhomme has had what 8 seasons? And still cant read 1!!! LMAO. Its straight comedy you think Jake Delhomme's upside is better than Vince fuging Young's at this point. Vince Young has no Steve Smith on his team and puts up the same 120-150 yard performances our QB regularly does. Vince Young played in 1 game last year, he sits behind Kerry Collins. Let me repeat, Kerry fuging Collins who after playing well as a "game manager" and riding the Chris Johnson wave will turn back into Kerry Collins. Vince Young has already supplanted him as a starter once in his career, would not shock me to see it happen again soon next season.

Stick to analyzing RBs.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Jason Campbell is not a BUST. Any QB who leads his team to a playoff appearance should not be considered 1. And I'm laughing that you call Vince Young 1, but praise Cutler. LOL. Cutler has just as many pro bowls as Vince Young, but unlike Young has a losing record as a starter, no playoff snaps, and did not win ROY. If Matt Ryan bombs next year and the Falcons suck (which history says they will do) will he become a bust too? Vince should be like Quinn (who's done much less than Vince at this point) "TOO SOON TO TELL".

I said there were some that you might not agree on. Bottom line there were more 1st round bust than "franchise QB's"

[King Taharqa]

I said there were some that you might not agree on. Bottom line there were more 1st round bust than "franchise QB's"

True statement, but its worth the gamble. The odds get even bigger when you research all the UDFAs and 4th round on down QBs.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Delhomme has had what 8 seasons? And still cant read 1!!! LMAO. Its straight comedy you think Jake Delhomme's upside is better than Vince fuging Young's at this point. Vince Young has no Steve Smith on his team and puts up the same 120-150 yard performances our QB regularly does. Vince Young played in 1 game last year, he sits behind Kerry Collins. Let me repeat, Kerry fuging Collins who after playing well as a "game manager" and riding the Chris Johnson wave will turn back into Kerry Collins. Vince Young has already supplanted him as a starter once in his career, would not shock me to see it happen again soon next season.

Stick to analyzing RBs.

He doesn't sit behind Collins he got REPLACED by COLLINS. Vince Young is read and Run. Inaccurate and ineffective. Vince Young is a BUST. A one hit wonder and nothing more. Hell Vince has too many voices in his head talking to him... No wonder he is a basket case. A Ryan Leaf with Legs.

[King Taharqa]

He doesn't sit behind Collins he got REPLACED by COLLINS. Vince Young is read and Run. Inaccurate and ineffective. Vince Young is a BUST. A one hit wonder and nothing more. Hell Vince has too many voices in his head talking to him... No wonder he is a basket case. A Ryan Leaf with Legs.

I dont remember Ryan Leaf playing in any playoff games. Vince is a lil screwy in the head and bitched up on his teammates in game 1 of last year. He's gonna have to win them back to become a starter again. But replaced by Collins? LOL. 5 INTs in the Super Bowl Kerry Collins? Call his hispanic teammate a racial slur Kerry Collins? Quit on the Panthers in the middle of the season Kerry Collins? The bar is set low for Vince to get his job back. It was Collins he replaced in 06.

[DaveThePanther2008]

True statement, but its worth the gamble. The odds get even bigger when you research all the UDFAs and 4th round on down QBs.

We could have chosen J. Harrington over Peppers. What would that have gotten us. NOTHING. I like our philosophy of taking players from other teams. You can argue all you want but over the 6 yrs Jake has been with us including 07 when he was done the whole season. He has a Winning record. I am talking 10 game or better over loses.

QB is a very difficult position to gauge. An average College QB can dominate the NFL. And a Superstar College QB can be a bust. To me you don't waste your #1 on a maybe.

[pstall]

So what are we arguing here?

The odds of a great qb being drafted in the 1st round are low.

Now Matt Ryan and Flacco come along. A mini 1983 maybe.

QB's and OL are better value when you get them in FA. Let someone else burn the money and spend the time and you jump in later.

My underlying arguments for qb's success in the NFL is HEIGHT. If a qb is UNDER 6'1 the odds work AGAINST him.

Next you look at what school he is coming from.

Then you look at what state he played high school ball in.

Those 3 factors run together pretty well on whether or not a qb will do any good in the pros.

There is a thread out on Bradford or McCoy. I say NEITHER. The football DNA at least qb wise is NOT good.

[The Link]

We could have chosen J. Harrington over Peppers. What would that have gotten us. NOTHING. I like our philosophy of taking players from other teams. You can argue all you want but over the 6 yrs Jake has been with us including 07 when he was done the whole season. He has a Winning record. I am talking 10 game or better over loses.

QB is a very difficult position to gauge. An average College QB can dominate the NFL. And a Superstar College QB can be a bust. To me you don't waste your #1 on a maybe.

This FO needs to get a 1st next year and get one of the many good QB's coming out. Jake is past his prime, and him playing until he is 40 is just ludicrous, although knowing this FO's loyalty to Jake, it might actually happen.

And on the subject of Vince Young, I would give him one more year before I label him a bust.