Delhomme to 40??

[DaveThePanther2008]

As long as he manages the game and can make the throws. Realistically I think 2 more yrs as a starter and one as a backup. In the mean time we will keep working on a replacement. Moore seems to be the best option and hopefully after years of waiting he'll prove he was worth the wait.

The part that makes me laugh are all these fans that think all we have is Jake. We might not have the backup QB with the title "1st Round Draft Choice" in the waiting but I do believe we have two solid QB's to be ready when they are called upon. Fox and Hurney learned a painful lesson in 07. Though we had Moore he wasn't ready and Carr wasn't the answer. Vinnie gave us his all and probably did more for the running game then he ever did with his arm.

I think now we are comfortable with what we have. If we have one land in our laps when we have a certain pick. I could see grabbing it but I don't see us ever being high enough to draft a "Franchise" QB.

[Nu Guns]

uggh,,,,game managing ... "If we have one land in our laps when we have a certain pick. I could see grabbing it but I don't see us ever being high enough to draft a "Franchise" QB. "

Thanks for depressing me

[DaveThePanther2008]

Well unless you would rather go 1-15 again and maybe get a chance to draft the next Joey Harrington over the next Peppers.

Jake is not here to sling the ball around 35-40 times a game and throw for 300 yds Per. You know it, I know it and most any knowledgable Panther fan knows it. Jake Manages our games well and more times than not when we need him to drive us down the field and win a game HE DOES.

If that depresses you, oh well such is life.

I could see if a QB lasted to the latter part of the 1st round, say like Quinn did a couple years ago I could see us taking him but outside that. We won't draft a franchise QB unless he comes in a late round gem.

[Nu Guns]

Well unless you would rather go 1-15 again and maybe get a chance to draft the next Joey Harrington over the next Peppers.

Jake is not here to sling the ball around 35-40 times a game and throw for 300 yds Per. You know it, I know it and most any knowledgable Panther fan knows it. Jake Manages our games well and more times than not when we need him to drive us down the field and win a game HE DOES.

If that depresses you, oh well such is life.

I could see if a QB lasted to the latter part of the 1st round, say like Quinn did a couple years ago I could see us taking him but outside that. We won't draft a franchise QB unless he comes in a late round gem.

Yes , I would love to be 1-15 again!!! :nopity:

Joey Harrington- to his defense he has never played on a good team

(poor guy).

Quinn's name has been thrown out there on the trading block for a long time and I am sure we could have made a deal with them during draft day (like everybody else did)

I hate QB game managers...and many Jake defenders dont like that term either because they think Jake is better then a Trent Dilfer. Game manager means>> medicore QB who doesnt turn the ball over and make dumb mistakes. Great

Well Pat White, Josh Freeman could have been considered Jems.

Pat could have played right away in some wild cat schemes, and be ready in 2 years. Which is about what Jake is expected to last 2-3 more years.

I am not going to go on and on about medicore Jake, but at some point we need to be grooming our future FRANCHISE QB. Like it or not Jake is our FRANCHISE QB in there warped minds.

Ill just stop now

[Mr. Scot]

And I'm betting they are not betting that. I'm betting they are counting on him to start/play at max 3 more years. Why do these outlets not yet understand that in the NFL a 5 year deal isn't really a 5 year deal?

Pretty much.

And for the record, Delhomme is not a game manager. I don't know why people think that. He's a gunslinger. Always has been, always will be. And something that should also be remembered: John Fox doesn't want him to be a game manager.

A big reason you keep a QB like Delhomme around (and keep in mind we have "Delhomme: The Sequel" and "Son of Delhomme" at two and three on the depth chart) along with a receiver like Smith is so that teams can't stack the box without taking the risk of giving up a deep ball downfield.

[Squirrel]

Jakes a game manager. You dont put the ball in his hand and expect him to when the game for you.

[Taom82]

Jakes a game manager. You dont put the ball in his hand and expect him to when the game for you.

Who exactly led all those drives to win games late in the 4th quarter and in OT? Has another qb been subbing in on these occasions?

[DaveThePanther2008]

You assume that Pat White and Josh Freeman are surefire NFL starters. I don't. I think Freeman could be the answer and had we selected him i would have been happy . Same with White. But I am not like you whining cause we didn't take them. Don't throw the "we are doomed with Jake" attitude cause you didn't get what you way. I have more faith in our F.O. then a fan that is a "Jake Hater"

OUR team needs a QB to "Manage" the game. Our team is not build around the QB position it is built around a solid running game. Your Opinion about Mediocre. I wouldn't put him in the upper echelon but I won't list him as mediocre either. I put him in the top 7-10. I get the feeling when we win a game off a great throw and catch, you give the credit to the reciever. However, if we lose you put the whole lose on Jake. Many do. Part of being the QB.

But like you I am not going to go round and round with you about YOUR opinion about how good or bad Jake is. I have and still feel that Jake can and will lead us to the Super Bowl and win it. Apparently management feels the same way. The decision was made we didn't draft a QB. Get over it. White or Freeman would have been nice and I would have been all for grooming them for replacement. NOT THIS YEAR. We will get that opportunity next year and the year after that and the year after that. Every year there is a QB we could have taken. Soon we will, not in 09. GET OVER IT.

[frash.exe]

You assume that Pat White and Josh Freeman are surefire NFL starters. I don't. I think Freeman could be the answer and had we selected him i would have been happy . Same with White. But I am not like you whining cause we didn't take them. Don't throw the "we are doomed with Jake" attitude cause you didn't get what you way. I have more faith in our F.O. then a fan that is a "Jake Hater"

OUR team needs a QB to "Manage" the game. Our team is not build around the QB position it is built around a solid running game. Your Opinion about Mediocre. I wouldn't put him in the upper echelon but I won't list him as mediocre either. I put him in the top 7-10. I get the feeling when we win a game off a great throw and catch, you give the credit to the reciever. However, if we lose you put the whole lose on Jake. Many do. Part of being the QB.

But like you I am not going to go round and round with you about YOUR opinion about how good or bad Jake is. I have and still feel that Jake can and will lead us to the Super Bowl and win it. Apparently management feels the same way. The decision was made we didn't draft a QB. Get over it. White or Freeman would have been nice and I would have been all for grooming them for replacement. NOT THIS YEAR. We will get that opportunity next year and the year after that and the year after that. Every year there is a QB we could have taken. Soon we will, not in 09. GET OVER IT.

And so has been the story, ...every year. People putting off QB, "ah we'll take care of it later on". Kinda like a "cross that bridge when we get to it" deal. Well the time has almost come where we're rapidly approaching the bridge, and I can't help but almost realize, we....just might not give a poo about talent at QB. Whether or not our business model is getting a QB to "Manage" a game, how has that worked out the last few years? Teams with talented QBs have been winning the last 5 superbowls and beyond. Teams with talented QBs get to the playoffs more consistently. Teams with the running game/strong defense model have been more often flash-in-the-pan teams. Teams that can't muster consistent playoff runs, teams that don't make it that deep.

...and don't tell me anything about "ohhhh the risk is too big to assume". You can try and succeed, try and fail, or not try and fail. That's my POV. And, oh, we won't try to tie money in a bona fide QB, but we'll gladly pay a disgruntled DE 16 or even 20 million dollars, a guy who has hot streaks and COLD streaks. A guy who's basically proven he can't be a team leader, and a guy who is doing his very best right now to throw the wrench in our plans. ...yea, that's our highest paid player. Nice.

I did research about our "emulated" franchise, the Steelers in the Cowher era. For 15 years Bill almost always had that defense and that running game. It got them in the playoffs, but when they had Kordell Stewart and Maddox, and these other guys that weren't good passers on their team they went nowhere in the playoffs. ...Until they got Ben Roethlisberger, 1st round. 2 superbowl victories since.

Just because Management feels like they made the right decision doesn't mean they did. Doesn't make you any smarter than anybody else just because you agree with them either. Doesn't make me or anybody else less of a fan because I don't. Doesn't mean this little contract extension, BTW the LARGEST contract extension given to a player the age of Jake, won't blow up in their face because they are hard-headed and can't figure out very rarely do QBs keep their luster and capabilities well into their late 30s.

[frash.exe]

---and I'll add another one.

Jake struggles this year, I don't wanna hear poo about Tommy John, i don't wanna hear poo about the receivers, I don't wanna hear poo about the running game wasn't moving that well. You all want to crown Jake as this super soldier mental giant QB, we tied our commitment to him and he needs to pull through to justify his gigantic fuging contract.

[DaveThePanther2008]

I did research about our "emulated" franchise, the Steelers in the Cowher era. For 15 years Bill almost always had that defense and that running game. It got them in the playoffs, but when they had Kordell Stewart and Maddox, and these other guys that weren't good passers on their team they went nowhere in the playoffs. ...Until they got Ben Roethlisberger, 1st round. 2 superbowl victories since.

In Ben's 1st Superbowl he managed the team. It wasn't him who won it.

I can reverse your scenario for one team. New England. They drafted Tony Eason in 1983 1st round, They Drafted Drew Bledsoe 1st Round. It took a 6th round QB T. Brady to finally put them over the top.

Johnny Unitas was cut by the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Bart Starr was a 17th round draft choice. In our day that is an UDFA.

Roger Staubach Round 10 another UDFA

1983 John Elway Baltimore Colts HOF 2 SUPERBOWL W'S

1983 Todd Blackledge Kansas City Chiefs BUST

1983 Jim Kelly Buffalo Bills HOF 4 SB 0 WINS

1983 Tony Eason New England Patriots AVG

1983 Ken O'Brien New York Jets BUST

1983 Dan Marino Miami Dolphins HOF 1 SB 0 WINS

1986 Jim Everett Houston Oilers BUST

1986 Chuck Long Detroit Lions BUST

1987 Vinny Testaverde Tampa Bay Buccaneers SOLID

1987 Kelly Stouffer St. Louis Cardinals BUST

1987 Chris Miller Atlanta Falcons BUST

1987 Jim Harbaugh Chicago Bears AVG

1989 Troy Aikman Dallas Cowboys HOF 3 SB WINS

1990 Jeff George Indianapolis Colts AVG

1990 Andre Ware Detroit Lions BUST

1991 Dan McGwire Seattle Seahawks BUST

1991 Todd Marinovich Los Angeles Raiders BUST

1992 David Klingler Cincinnati Bengals BUST

1992 Tommy Maddox Denver Broncos BUST

1993 Drew Bledsoe New England Patriots SOLID

1993 Rick Mirer Seattle Seahawks BUST

1994 Heath Shuler Washington Redskins BUST

1994 Trent Dilfer Tampa Bay Buccaneers*** AVG 1 SB WIN W/DIFFT TEAM

1995 Steve McNair Houston Oilers HOF 0 SB

1995 Kerry Collins Carolina Panthers BUM AVG

1997 Jim Druckenmiller San Francisco 49ers BUST

1998 Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts 1 SUPERBOWL W

1998 Ryan Leaf San Diego Chargers BUST

1999 Tim Couch Cleveland Browns BUST

1999 Donovan McNabb Philadelphia Eagles 1 SB 0 WIN

1999 Akili Smith Cincinnati Bengals BUST

1999 Daunte Culpepper Minnesota Vikings AVG

1999 Cade McNown Chicago Bears BUST

2000 Chad Pennington New York Jets AVG

2001 Michael Vick Atlanta Falcons AVG

2002 David Carr Houston Texans BUST

2002 Joey Harrington Detroit Lions BUST

2002 Patrick Ramsey Washington Redskins BUST

2003 Carson Palmer Cincinnati Bengals SOLID

2003 Byron Leftwich Jacksonville Jaguars BUST

2003 Kyle Boller Baltimore Ravens BUST

2003 Rex Grossman Chicago Bears BUST

2004 Eli Manning San Diego Chargers 1 SB 1 WIN

2004 Philip Rivers New York Giants SOLID

2004 Ben Roethlisberger Pittsburgh Steelers 2 SB 2 WIN

2004 J.P. Losman Buffalo Bills BUST

2005 Alex Smith San Francisco 49ers BUST

2005 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers TOO SOON TO TELL

2005 Jason Campbell Washington Redskins BUST

2006 Vince Young Tennessee Titans BUST

2006 Matt Leinart Arizona Cardinals BUST

2006 Jay Cutler Denver Broncos PRO BOWL

2007 JaMarcus Russell Oakland Raiders BUST

2007 Brady Quinn Cleveland Browns TOO SOON TO TELL

2008 Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons ROY

2008 Joe Flacco Baltimore Ravens TOO SOON TO TELL

Some you could argue either way Bottom line there were more Bust (30 out of 56) then superstars.

9 Super Bowl wins between 5 QBs (Elway, Aikman, P. Manning, E. Manning, B. Roethlisberger)

*** Dilfer is not counted because he won with a different team than who drafted him***

That mean 14 of last 25 Super Bowls were won by a QB that was drafted After the 1st round.

Rebuttal?

[Fiz]

Wait, you said "his elbow wasn't giving him problems" and I gave you a direct quote where he himself said the exact opposite. As for what he meant? Ask him, you live closer to Charlotte than I do.

i meant problems like anything observable, not problems like "god this poo is sore after i throw four touchdown passes."

[TerriblePizza]

Vick went to a superbowl?

[DaveThePanther2008]

Vick went to a superbowl?

NO he didn't. Don't know what I was thinking. I fixed it.