Addiction

[Sapper]

Some would say you were not really addicted if you just stopped cold tukey and claim superior willpower. That doesn't make sense, its saying people want to be addicted to things, and just stop when they want. In reality even in a broken will powered state they don't want to be addicted as Floppin explained, but their body does.

My source do not like to be called teachers, they like to be called doctors, and I am sure their addict rehabilitation record is more successful than yours. I am not being treated by any of them, just learning. Also I did not say validity, of course your experience does. What I said was external validty, which is really hard to achieve in the area of disease.

This is not to compeltley disregard willpower. It plays a huge role in addiction but it isn't the only role and eventually in a lot of cases no longer is the 'star role'.

I really cannot respond to this until I can fully grasp what in the world this means.

[Lumps]

I really cannot respond to this until I can fully grasp what in the world this means.

I thought it was clear but I'll number it.

1. Doctors treating addicts are giving me contradictory information to yours.

2. I did not say validity I said external valididty.

3. If willpower was all that was needed the only reason people are addicted is because they want to be. (mentally)

4. Willpower is still important but mostly in the beginning stages and less and less as the addiction turns into a disease.

5. Your addiction experience is relevant, but does not 'prove' anything about addiction.

Also I did not copy and paste anything here besides what I put in quote texts...

[Sapper]

Retraction

[charlotte49er]

Diet Dew!

It's just about all I drink. I have slowed down a bit and drink more juices and even a filtered water once in a great while. Typiocally though, I drink it when I first get up in the morning and even take one to bed with me.

[The Huddler]

Diet Dew!

It's just about all I drink. I have slowed down a bit and drink more juices and even a filtered water once in a great while. Typiocally though, I drink it when I first get up in the morning and even take one to bed with me.

Damn that cant be healthy. But hey man whatever floats your boat.

[CatofWar]

I thought this thread may be useful but instead find you two homos arguing about what addiction is.

[SN03]

sex

[Guest Irv]

i was addicted to world of warcraft in highschool. Then i had sex

[weymouthst]

Alcoholism has been found, by some, to be a disease. There is a gland or something in the brain that is genetically passed down, that makes the reaction to alcohol much different from those who do not have the gland.

Other than that, any recreational drug can lead to addiction, although it is basically just a physical addiction, where your body gets used to the affects of a drug, and when that drug is taken away the body craves it to feel normal again. Not a disease.

I am addicted to smokes, thats it. I have tried many different "addictive" drugs; coke, H, pain pills. I have not developed a physical addiction to any of them. My theory is that the addiction to smokes trumps all other addictions I could have, thus I don't crave anything other than ciggs really. This is my personal experience.

[Doyle]

I gave up weed about 10 months ago. It probably took 2-3 months before I stopped thinking about it.

[CatofWar]

Nicotine is a mother fuger. I'm hooked on it and enjoy it in various forms.

[Lumps]

This wasn't suppose to be a debate thread but adding more meaningless comments don't exactly help make this thread useful.

I guess pointing out the problem instead of trying to give real input is always easier. Thank you everyone who did share something at least. I know a friend who is addicted to straight up mountain dew to the point where their teeth are rotting and the caffiene affects them a well. Who knows how long before diabetes kicks in and one day they faint.

I have been addicted to heroin, opium and pain killers for a year straight. Withdrawl was hell on earth. I use to withold from really talking about it but in my recent studies, dealing with people who are really, detrimentally addicted to something for years to the point they couldn't function really got me thinking if I was really addicted or maybe I just got out before it was too late. What I went through seems like nothing now, but was easily the worst moments of my life (so far).

For me it wasn't a matter of will. It had been a realization of the lack of will if that makes sense. It had already been destroyed. At first it was my dumbass getting into something I was way too young and ignorant/niaeve to handle. I knew I could not quit on my own and I could not afford professional help.

Every once and a while and I mean two days out of the whole year I could not get any. Those couple days of soberness I thought how I could quit. I had the will to make it through the day, but I would eventually break. How could I use this brief willpower to my advantage is one day I deleted my main guys number, who always wanted me to call from a pay phone or prepaid cardetc. I also moved to a new area. He had a pager (this was long time ago) and would meet me at a same spot. Those 15 minutes of willpower were much easier to muster up than just trying to stop. I drove by out 'spot' countless times, sweating and shaking in my car with nothing on, on freezing ass mornings, he was never there.

I went to school through withdrawl which was a HUGE mistake, feeling sick and tempted to look for some, and ended ad up taking a two week leave, but what I learned is out of sight, out of mind really works, it's fail proof if you have a way like I did and finding the will to set that up in a day if you can is much easier to muster up. Then you just have to hold on and wait until you can crawl out of your cave one day.

Luckily I have yet to experience long term negative effects but now that I see how serious they can be it put fear into me by the realization of how I could have ended up.