Panthers 2011 Dt Grades From Pff

[MHS831]

I agree. I think both were thrown in the fire to soon due to the Edwards injury and the lockout didn't help them either.

Now I'll admit I have a little more faith in McClain becoming a good 3tech then Fua being a good NT.

And most of that is due to Fua size and Power but Kelly greg is his size and been a solid NT for years.

The NT is the more important position, in my opinion. With Edwards, maybe the focus will not be on Fua so much and he can develop. I would still watch for another, bigger DT to emerge.

Frankly, I hated the Fua pick when it was made. Rivera had no choice but to draft DTs since there was a lockout. Hurney has never really given the Panthers a thing in terms of DTs. Free agents Keomatu and Lewis were about the best he has done (and Kemo did not play up to his contract, arguably), while he has sucked in the draft finding a DT. (Ellison, Irvin, Hayden...)

[Mage]

Do you have any PFF stats to back your claim or you just talking out your ass?

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/15/three-year-pass-blocking-efficiency-offensive-linemen/

[Snake]

http://www.profootba...ensive-linemen/

SMH you do know my response was tongue and cheek right?

[koolkatluke]

The NT is the more important position, in my opinion. With Edwards, maybe the focus will not be on Fua so much and he can develop. I would still watch for another, bigger DT to emerge.

Frankly, I hated the Fua pick when it was made. Rivera had no choice but to draft DTs since there was a lockout. Hurney has never really given the Panthers a thing in terms of DTs. Free agents Keomatu and Lewis were about the best he has done (and Kemo did not play up to his contract, arguably), while he has sucked in the draft finding a DT. (Ellison, Irvin, Hayden...)

I'll give Irvin but any player after the 4th is a risk anyway. Ellison and Hayden not working out isn't that big of a deal because they were late round projects anyway.

[Mage]

SMH you do know my response was tongue and cheek right?

I had a hunch but I didn't know for sure.

[Urrymonster]

http://www.profootba...ensive-linemen/

Do you realise that they supply statistics to NFL teams?

[koolkatluke]

Do you realise that they supply statistics to NFL teams?

If this is true then Demario Pressley should have no problem making a team this year.

[jtnc]

Do you realise that they supply statistics to NFL teams?

Proof?

[Urrymonster]

Proof?

It's on their FB page - New York Giants

I guess they could be lying, but if they were im pretty sure one of the multiple news reporters that are also using them would pick them up on it.

[csx]

Proof?

Do you ask your friends for a link if they say your fly is down?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203889904577199781897959096.html?mod=whats_now&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

[Urrymonster]

If this is true then Demario Pressley should have no problem making a team this year.

I know this is somewhat sarcastic but you need to actually weight how much he played compared to the other players to make the comparison worthwhile. With less than 10% of McClains snaps, Pressley is more of a statistical anomaly.

Even more significant is the breakdown between the run game and passing game:

Ranked against the run (averaged to reduce impact of less snaps)

Frank Kearse

Sione Fua

Andre Neblett

DeMario Pressley

Ronald Fields

Terrell McClain

Jason Shirley

Ranked against the passing plays (again averaging snaps out)

DeMario Pressley

Jason Shirley

Terrell McClain

Frank Kearse

Andre Neblett

Sione Fua

Ronald Fields

As mentioned, Pressley is an anomaly due to having just 40 snaps.

[carolinarolls]

how anyone thinks we can get decent ranks on DTs when we have so many injuries there and at LB is beyond me.

this ranking is not even useful if it were not skewed by the injuries and inexperience at two positions.

somebody was bored. really bored

[csx]

how anyone thinks we can get decent ranks on DTs when we have so many injuries there and at LB is beyond me.

this ranking is not even useful if it were not skewed by the injuries and inexperience at two positions.

somebody was bored. really bored

ranking how they played has nothing to do with injuries at either DT or LB

[Urrymonster]

how anyone thinks we can get decent ranks on DTs when we have so many injuries there and at LB is beyond me.

this ranking is not even useful if it were not skewed by the injuries and inexperience at two positions.

somebody was bored. really bored

Actually that's not true.

Their ranking system takes the individual player performance on every single play, regardless of the outcome. In the case of the DTs it would factor in their ability to control the point of attack, not over shoot a RB thinking its a passing play or not being able to shed a block to make a reachable tackle.

The performance of the LBs has absolutely no impact on the performance of the DTs, just the result of the play.

Likewise injuries has no impact on the individual performances of these players.