Panthers 2011 Dt Grades From Pff

[Snake]

LOL @ using PFF for X's and O's talk.

Their site is ridiculously flawed and I can't believe people would actually pay for that crap. According to that site, Willie Colon was the best pass protector from 2008 to 2010. LOL.

They have some nice things on their site, I'll give them that. But I absolutely would not put much stock in their grades, especially for the defensive line, pass rushers, or offensive line. The way they account for pressures and whatnot is stupid.

Do you have any PFF stats to back your claim or you just talking out your ass?

Wait what?

[Ivan The Awesome]

It seems like Panther fans have the most excuses in the world for players.

"GUYS! Stop calling Clausen a bust wait until he has a competent coaching staff" What did he do? NOTHING

"GUYS! Armanti Edwards is gonna flourish under teh Chudz just wait guyz lol" What did he do? NOTHING

"GUYS! Stop calling Everette Brown a bust, Rivera will know what to do with him" lol he got fuging cut, and did absolutely NOTHING

The fans are so fuging oblivious, and the "Stop questioning Hurney attitude and the coaching staff" is almost sheep like, as if you all are all fuging sheep.

It's not an Excuse it's a fact.

1. Clausen never had a shot to begin with, Old staff hung him. New staff picked their own QB, Cam. He's done. He was DOA.

2. Armanti was always a project. This is his last year to prove anything. If he is even given an opportunity with the new staff.

3. New regime, didn't surprise me he didn't get a shot. At least they were smart enough to cut their losses.

it seems you bitch about everything. You've never said anything positive about this franchise. Makes me wonder if you're a fan or not. I question Hurney's action plenty. But nit picking every damn thing he does? really? Come the fug on. 3rd round DT's aren't going to come in and do poo right away. You live in a madden world.

[koolkatluke]

This makes no goddamn since for you to post. Both broads were one inch apart. Both verts two inches apart, Suh's 40 was .02 faster than McClain and 40 does not matter and the difference is minute which washes that out. You failed to list benches and three cones for all three participants. This is the most fail post that I have ever seen. I have no fuging idea how you thought this would help your cause. Cox is closer to McClain in vert and broad jump is an even split. .02 in a 40 time for a Dlineman means poo. You did not list 3 cone for Suh or Bench for McClain. So from what you posted Cox is no more like Suh or McClain, what the hell is wrong with your brain?

Hey dumbass 1st read the whole F'n thread before you make a post.

Ninja started this whole debate talking about Cox being undersize. (wrong) Then when i pointed out that Cox was the same size as Suh he tried to Morph the conversation into a Suh vs. Cox talent wise debate.( Which is nowhere near what we were talking about) I was talking about them having the same size and said nothing about them talent wise. (right here is the 1st mistake)

Then somehow Ninja want to compare Terrell McClain to Cox. (which again doesn't make sense because Mcclain is smaller the both Cox and Suh) and Ninja orginal statement was Cox is undersize which is what I was really debating.

Now your Dumbass wants to come in here and act like you know some poo. Well lets go then.

1. 3 cone Drill # (which is really the most Important to DT)

Cox 7.07 Suh 7.21 McClain (which again I don't know why he's in the conversation) 7.48

Cox better then both Suh and McClain and closer to Suh then McClain. 1 for me

2. bench press

Cox 30 times Suh 32 times McClain 29 times

All of them are close but Cox is closer to McClain then Suh. But wait Cox was a Jr. coming out and Mcclain and Suh were seniors. There is a chance Cox coming out as a senior could have been alot stronger.

3. Broad Jump is about equal for all three and Vert Jump Cox's comes in last and Suh dominates all because he jump high. Which if they were playing basketball would real be a big advantage.

Again let me stress this point Ninja was talking about size (got checked) and tried to change the debate to something different,

[Swaggasaurus]

Hey dumbass 1st read the whole F'n thread before you make a post.

Ninja started this whole debate talking about Cox being undersize. (wrong) Then when i pointed out that Cox was the same size as Suh he tried to Morph the conversation into a Suh vs. Cox talent wise debate.( Which is nowhere near what we were talking about) I was talking about them having the same size and said nothing about them talent wise. (right here is the 1st mistake)

Then somehow Ninja want to compare Terrell McClain to Cox. (which again doesn't make sense because Mcclain is smaller the both Cox and Suh) and Ninja orginal statement was Cox is undersize which is what I was really debating.

Now your Dumbass wants to come in here and act like you know some poo. Well lets go then.

1. 3 cone Drill # (which is really the most Important to DT)

Cox 7.07 Suh 7.21 McClain (which again I don't know why he's in the conversation) 7.48

Cox better then both Suh and McClain and closer to Suh then McClain. 1 for me

2. bench press

Cox 30 times Suh 32 times McClain 29 times

All of them are close but Cox is closer to McClain then Suh. But wait Cox was a Jr. coming out and Mcclain and Suh were seniors. There is a chance Cox coming out as a senior could have been alot stronger.

3. Broad Jump is about equal for all three and Vert Jump Cox's comes in last and Suh dominates all because he jump high. Which if they were playing basketball would real be a big advantage.

Again let me stress this point Ninja was talking about size (got checked) and tried to change the debate to something different,

You did not post Suh's 3cone in your post( -1 for you) or bench, but since he is closer to McClain +1 for the other guy. My post was that your post (the data that you put in it) made no sense. I could care less if you or ninja are right or wrong. He may be closer to Suh than McClain, Fletcher Cox is not on this team so I don't give a fug. My point was that it made no since to post the combine numbers that you posted because they did not show ANYTHING to help your cause. Again you only posted vert, broad, and 40 for all three participants in the post that I quoted and Cox was closer to McClain in two of them, it made no since for you to do that. Then you make this post with other combine results, trying to cover your ass. Again I do not give a fug about Fletcher Cox or the Eagles and they can both eat poo.

[koolkatluke]

You did not post Suh's 3cone in your post( -1 for you) or bench, but since he is closer to McClain +1 for the other guy. My post was that your post (the data that you put in it) made no sense. I could care less if you or ninja are right or wrong. He may be closer to Suh than McClain, Fletcher Cox is not on this team so I don't give a fug. My point was that it made no since to post the combine numbers that you posted because they did not show ANYTHING to help your cause. Again you only posted vert, broad, and 40 for all three participants in the post that I quoted and Cox was closer to McClain in two of them, it made no since for you to do that. Then you make this post with other combine results, trying to cover your ass. Again I do not give a fug about Fletcher Cox or the Eagles and they can both eat poo.

Then tell Ninja that who brought him up in the 1st place.

You still missed the point that we were talking about size and Ninja tried to Morph the conversation to something else.

Read the thread 1st.

And really 3 cone Drill 10 yard dash and Bench is all that really matter for DT.

[Swaggasaurus]

Then tell Ninja that who brought him up in the 1st place.

You still missed the point that we were talking about size and Ninja tried to Morph the conversation to something else.

Read the thread 1st.

And really 3 cone Drill 10 yard dash and Bench is all that really matter for DT.

Ninja can fug off. You were introducing evidence into the argument that did not help you, again I have read this thread and it is dumb as poo to compare Cox to Suh or Suh to McClain or Cox to McClain. Since the whole compare/contrast argument I stayed out of this thread, but the COMBINE NUMBERS YOU POSTED IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST that I quoted did nothing to prove your point. And I am somehow the dumbass, because you cannot correctly cherry pick numbers that benefit you? Look man, as dumb as it is to compare these guys I agree that Cox is more like Suh than McClain as far as skill set, so I agree with you on this. However the way that you displayed it with the combine numbers was not to your advantage and it fuged with my head.

[Toundra]

Go McClain! show those @ù^$ù how @#ù$ù they are! :D

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Im not arguing that Mcclain is better than Cox either..it did morph and multiple post about the same thing do seem to create an agenda on my part which was nothin but overexplaining a point...that im not sure what that was either.

If cox is closer to Suh than we made a draft mistake...i think we did fine..just bc he wont lol..ha!

€€>poof!<33 Smokebomb argument close!

[CatMan72]

Good news: Fua and McClain were rookies.

Seeing Shirley and Kearse at the top of that list doesn't surprise me, but Demario Pressley?

Kearse was also a rookie, looks like we may have found a diamond there.

[MHS831]

I saw a lot of teams pushed Fua out the way with 1 person not needing to double team him.

I saw it too. It has been established that he sucked, especially early in 2011. My point is that expectations are WAY too high for him. When a third of the first round DTs succeed as rookies, and most had otas and an offseason, why is everyone here bashing the last third rounder of last year's draft? DTs take time.

[koolkatluke]

Ninja can fug off. You were introducing evidence into the argument that did not help you, again I have read this thread and it is dumb as poo to compare Cox to Suh or Suh to McClain or Cox to McClain. Since the whole compare/contrast argument I stayed out of this thread, but the COMBINE NUMBERS YOU POSTED IN YOUR ORIGINAL POST that I quoted did nothing to prove your point. And I am somehow the dumbass, because you cannot correctly cherry pick numbers that benefit you? Look man, as dumb as it is to compare these guys I agree that Cox is more like Suh than McClain as far as skill set, so I agree with you on this. However the way that you displayed it with the combine numbers was not to your advantage and it fuged with my head.

My first post about combine numbers may have lack all the info so I went back and got all the numbers in another post. But to my defense the debate Morphed on me out of no where. So forgive me for not being on top with all my numbers.

[koolkatluke]

Im not arguing that Mcclain is better than Cox either..it did morph and multiple post about the same thing do seem to create an agenda on my part which was nothin but overexplaining a point...that im not sure what that was either.

If cox is closer to Suh than we made a draft mistake...i think we did fine..just bc he wont lol..ha!

€€>poof!<33 Smokebomb argument close!

Atleast you realize that you "Ninja'd" the debate and change it to make your argument. But I'm a panther fan I like the draft and hope all the picks this year last year and every year works out. Hell I hope McClain Krease and Fua are better then Suh, Naga, Wilfork, BJ Raji, and Cox.

[koolkatluke]

I saw it too. It has been established that he sucked, especially early in 2011. My point is that expectations are WAY too high for him. When a third of the first round DTs succeed as rookies, and most had otas and an offseason, why is everyone here bashing the last third rounder of last year's draft? DTs take time.

I agree. I think both were thrown in the fire to soon due to the Edwards injury and the lockout didn't help them either.

Now I'll admit I have a little more faith in McClain becoming a good 3tech then Fua being a good NT.

And most of that is due to Fua size and Power but Kelly greg is his size and been a solid NT for years.

[csx]

It was Gregg's third season before he ever made a tackle.....and that year he only made 3.