Shirley Could Be The Odd Man Out In Dt Battle.

[koolkatluke]

Dude every NT faces double teams no matter how shitty they are. Fua faced several and whether he warranted them or not its a fact. Think about it this way, if we only rush 4 vs 5 offensive lineman a guard or center is going to be blocking air if they don't help double a defensive tackle and its generally the nose that they do that with.

You need to find some access to go back and watch the games. for 9.99 you can watch every NFL game dating back to 08 with full dvr control,coaches cam and commerce free straight from the NFL!

It is not possible to vividly remember who did what on every play from last season. Especially if your watching the games live because you are generally following the ball not individual players performances. I have learned a lot from going back and watching the plays over again and anybody does with that intent will.

I have watched and too many times Fua and Mcclain were single block leaving the other guard or center free to get to the 2nd level and F'up our LB. That's why we were giving up 5.4 YPC when those 2 were the primary DT's.

[Zithers]

i remember rivera mentioning shirley messing up a play in a press conference last season

it was against the falcons

they were trying to contain him in the pocket but shirley basically bullrushed him and he rolled out to complete it

[Kuech the Sneak]

I think Shirley has the size of a NT but his skill set is more of just a big 3 tech

[panther4life]

I have watched and too many times Fua and Mcclain were single block leaving the other guard or center free to get to the 2nd level and F'up our LB. That's why we were giving up 5.4 YPC when those 2 were the primary DT's.

The point was you said Fua was never doubled. I corrected you, as he was multiple times.

[koolkatluke]

The point was you said Fua was never doubled. I corrected you, as he was multiple times.

You done nothing to correct me because you have no proof. I didn't see a double team on either of them.

[panther4life]

You done nothing to correct me because you have no proof. I didn't see a double team on either of them.

if I post a pic of it will you quit making dumb post?

[Urrymonster]

if I post a pic of it will you quit making dumb post?

Just do it anyway.

[koolkatluke]

if I post a pic of it will you quit making dumb post?

How long is it going to take you to find Sione Fua or Terrell McClain Panther highlights??

When you don't will you stop making dumb post?

If you honestly have Sione Fua panther highlight or flim I will never debate you and will always say that P4life is the best Panther fan on here.

[panther4life]

I never claimed they were great I actually said they both sucked last year. You said they didn't draw any double teams and I corrected you. Quit trying to alter the reality of what I said, just stand corrected and leave it alone.

No need to hold a grudge over it, heres the 2 post right below. I am not gonna waste anytime arguing about petty b.s. with you.

[panther4life]

Fua and Mcclain both sucked equally imo. They were both thrown to the wolves too early and it showed. PFF however grades Mcclain as our worst DT last year.

I went back and watched the game tape of the first few games(will eventually re-watch all of them) and both improved each week in their ability to hold their ground. They both even had moments where they even got some penetration and even faced double teams. They also played in multiple looks very early on when we ran with the 3-4, even saw Mcclain line up as a 3-4 defensive end I prefer to give them the benefit of a doubt much like I did with Lafell his rookie year when many on here were calling him "Baby hands" and "LAFAIL". It is nearly impossible to judge them off 12 games. Very few 3rd round rookies start their first year and especially not side by side. We really don't know what we have in either one of them at this point. Relax and let it play itself out.

What F'n double team did you see him demanded or get? And since we were giving up 5.4 YPC when he was the primary NT and since his job was to "demand double teams and tie up blockers". 5.4 ypc means he wasn't doing his job.

[koolkatluke]

How the hell did you correct me? All you have done is said I saw Fua get double teamed and acted like that was proof. Are you F'n serious?

Guess what I got proof I slept with Katty Perry and here it is.

"I slept with Katty Perry last night"

That's it no pics or flim just me saying it is proof enough.

[Swaggasaurus]

The breakdown goes like this.

IF we carry 6 DTgoing by the skill sets McClain and Nebblet are the only 3 tech (not counting CJ and Hardy who can play 3 tech) on the team so IMO they both might be safe.

The problem for Shirley I see is we have 4 NT (or 1 Tech DT) Edwards is the starter then you have Fua and Krease. Now if we carry 6 DT then Shirley's ok. But if we only Carry 5 DT the battle will be between Krease, Fua, and Shirley.

There is no weight limit to playing the 3 tech you know. Just because a guy is taller or heavier does not mean that he cannot play that position. If you are not good at rushing the passer which McClain and Neblett are not (not any better than anyone else that we have) it does not make since to have the smaller guy in there. I repeat there is no size restriction on playing the three, however the smaller guys do usually play there.

[panther4life]

I am not tech savvy enough to be able to post it nor do I feel like going back and taking screenshots just to show you what is fact

[koolkatluke]

Sorry my phone won't open whatever that is.