Shirley Could Be The Odd Man Out In Dt Battle.

[koolkatluke]

The breakdown goes like this.

IF we carry 6 DTgoing by the skill sets McClain and Nebblet are the only 3 tech (not counting CJ and Hardy who can play 3 tech) on the team so IMO they both might be safe.

The problem for Shirley I see is we have 4 NT (or 1 Tech DT) Edwards is the starter then you have Fua and Krease. Now if we carry 6 DT then Shirley's ok. But if we only Carry 5 DT the battle will be between Krease, Fua, and Shirley.

This is my original post about the DT's on the roster and what kind of DT they were. At no time in this post do you see me use or say size and weight to determine a NT from a from a 3 tech. So who brought up size and weight?

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

It sounds like I am the only one besides Beast that feels like they will carry all six.

[koolkatluke]

There is no weight limit to playing the 3 tech you know. Just because a guy is taller or heavier does not mean that he cannot play that position. If you are not good at rushing the passer which McClain and Neblett are not (not any better than anyone else that we have) it does not make since to have the smaller guy in there. I repeat there is no size restriction on playing the three, however the smaller guys do usually play there.

Here we go Swaggcrap brought this up.

Now I don't know how he thought I said anything about size and weight determines what kind of DT a player is. Because again in no point of my post did I use size and weight.

The breakdown goes like this.

IF we carry 6 DTgoing by the skill sets McClain and Nebblet are the only 3 tech (not counting CJ and Hardy who can play 3 tech) on the team so IMO they both might be safe.

The problem for Shirley I see is we have 4 NT (or 1 Tech DT) Edwards is the starter then you have Fua and Krease. Now if we carry 6 DT then Shirley's ok. But if we only Carry 5 DT the battle will be between Krease, Fua, and Shirley.

Maybe Swaggcrap is just a troll and a very bad one.

[koolkatluke]

It sounds like I am the only one besides Beast that feels like they will carry all six.

No I hope this happens as well. I'm just busy exposing a idiot in our Huddle.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

No I hope this happens as well. I'm just busy exposing a idiot in our Huddle.

Lol in that case, pie and rep for you.

[Swaggasaurus]

I brought up size because you listed the two smaller guys as 3 techs based on "skill set". Skill set is not production. McClain and Neblett have failed to prove that they can do that. As I said ideally you would pencil these guys in that spot, but they have not proven to be penetrators. Shirley did a better job of that but you didn't list him, why? My guess is that he does not fit the in-the-box description of a 3 tech

[Swaggasaurus]

Seems to me that Shirley was better at disrupting and making plays (the role of a 3 tech so I hear) in less action than McClain and Neblett. Production > "skill set" or whatever other bullshit you come up with

[koolkatluke]

I brought up size because you listed the two smaller guys as 3 techs based on "skill set". Skill set is not production. McClain and Neblett have failed to prove that they can do that. As I said ideally you would pencil these guys in that spot, but they have not proven to be penetrators. Shirley did a better job of that but you didn't list him, why? My guess is that he does not fit the in-the-box description of a 3 tech

We are also talking about a rookie (with no Offseason) and UDFA in his 2nd year player playing 1 of the harder position to make a transition from college to Pro's. So maybe cut them a little slack for not hitting your high standards.

The problem with you is instead of doing your own work and looking up his scouting report. You tried to manufacture a reason why I see him more as a NT.

Plain and simple while Shirley has skills to rush the passer he excels at holding up blockers and would be more of a benefit at NT.

Maybe use your brain and figure out that if you have a NT that can hold up blockers and rush the passer it's better then him lining up at 3tech.

NT have the shortest distance to the QB then any defensive player on the field.

[koolkatluke]

Seems to me that Shirley was better at disrupting and making plays (the role of a 3 tech so I hear) in less action than McClain and Neblett. Production > "skill set" or whatever other bullshit you come up with

Shirley has also been in the league 3-4 more years then both of them.

Do you think that might have helped?

[Swaggasaurus]

I get what you are saying, but you basically took him out of the running because of guys who fit the mold. Some guys on here jump to the conclusion that bigger guys are mandated to NT, for example "player x can't play the nose he is only 300, player y is 350 he should play there." IF I mistakenly put you in that group I do apoligize, but I feel as though Shirley has to at least have consideration at that spot based on his on field performance vs McClain and Neblett's at that spot.

[Swaggasaurus]

Strategically why not have Edwards or Kearse at the nose getting doubled and have shirley at the 3 providing a pash rush that is as good or better than the other DT's and being an immovable object facing a single for the most part in the run game.

[koolkatluke]

Strategically why not have Edwards or Kearse at the nose getting doubled and have shirley at the 3 providing a pash rush that is as good or better than the other DT's and being an immovable object facing a single for the most part in the run game.

Because you still have more speed in the interior of your line with McClain and Nebblet.

[pantherclaw]

I honestly can't fathom why anybody would want to give up on any young player after one seasom.

Not to mention a couple of young defensive tackles. If anyone tried to tell me that they expected a third round defensive tackle to start his rookie season, and even play half way decent, I would ask them to lay down the crack pipe.

Most fans won't give up on third year players that have shown less than out pair of young tackles.

Tbey didn't have good rookie seasons no poo

Why did you expect more?

Did they have good OTAs?

They didn't have any OTAs?

It also takes most defensive tackles a year or two to develop? Even the over rated Kris Jenkins didn't come into his own until his third season?

Just say it ain't so!

Let's see how our talent develops.

[Swaggasaurus]

Shirley has also been in the league 3-4 more years then both of them.

Do you think that might have helped?

Good point, McClain and Neblett do need more time to develop and it is somewhat unfair to compare them to a guy with two and three more years experience. Those guys have potential to contribute and I do not want to execute them for not performing well last year. Shirley played better in the games and was more disruptive, but the other guys could become better at disrupting plays than him. From what I saw last year however, it is ridiculous to say our 3's will be McClain or Neblett as our only options when Shirley did better in that role last year. FWIW I hope McClain comes out balling next year, I wanted him in the draft and believe in his abilities so if he busts I am going to feel like a failure as well.