Game Of Thrones Grown Up Talk. Do Not Enter Unless You Have Finished All The Books

[Bronn]

so you mean you and Panthro didn't know that Ned Stark actually warged into a bird and then into zombie Gregor Clegane yet?

[Porn Shop Clerk]

lol they don't know that tyrion is banging danaerys yet

[Panthro]

lol they don't know that tyrion is banging danaerys yet

 

The Targaryen's keep it in the family

[Porn Shop Clerk]

tyrion has no choice but to be drawn into an incestuous relationship, both sides of his family participate in it

[davos]

Gendry is totally like the dude who abides in the books.......

[Bronn]

With last night's episode, I've found a new passion for trying to figure out what/who exactly the White Walkers are about. I've come to a block and I wondered what you all thought about it...

So The Others (the white walkers) and their army of reanimated corpses (wights) fought against the First Men and the Children of the Forest, and were beaten (with the assistance of R'llhor's Azor Ahai)... The CotF helped build The Wall after, to hopefully keep the White Walkers from coming back...

Later, the Children of the Forest pretty much are pushed back and hunted down by the Andals (the Second Men? lol.) They disappear.

Now fast forward to where we are at at the end of ADWD.

Bran has been sucked in by the Children of the Forest, led there by an apparent wight, and is in a cave that wights are surrounding and trying to get into. The White Walkers have obviously resurfaced north of the Wall, and are indeed employing wights in their ranks.

 

So, where does that leave Coldhands? Is he a wight? Is he some other sort of creature?

Are Bran and the Bloodraven, and the Children of the Forest, actually still in opposition to the White Walkers?

What are the motives for the Children of the Forest to actually be pulling Bran to them? Are they anticipating working with Dany or the inhabitants of Westeros to battle the White Walkers? This would make them "good guys" wouldn't it? So how come the place and stuff going on there has an evil feeling to it?

Or, Could the CotF and the White Walkers actually be working towards the same goal of just wiping the continent clean? That doesn't explain the wights knocking at the cave door, though... unless they are just an assembling army...

[PanthersFanNY]

I can't imagine the COTF working with the Others. They were enemies forever. Coldhands is still a mystery, but it seems to me that the Others tried to turn him into a wight but for whatever reason were not successful. I think a popular theory was that it was Benjen Stark and the Starks have some kind of magic in their blood ("There must always be a Stark in Winterfell") but that seems unlikely because the COTF said that "they killed him long ago" when Bran or one of his group asked about Coldhands. Whoever Coldhands is, it seems clear that he is or was a member of the Nights Watch.

 

I think they have been trying to get Bran in their cave because of his potential as a green seer, maybe eventually taking over for Bloodraven.

 

I'm guessing that the Others really are just interested in removing all other life from the continent and making it permanent winter and the last few COTF are trying to stop that, but they're pretty much powerless.

[Bronn]

I just don't get why CotF would care about the Andals, after they basically stabbed them in the back and ran them to the recesses of the continent. I get more of an "evil" feeling from them than I do the WWs tbqh.

[Cdw]

The CotF are definitely a little creepy, as with anything magical in the series, there is darkness to them, but I don't think they're evil.  I think its hard to judge their motives because they aren't human and don't think like humans - Bran thinks about how different they are in one of his chapters where he thinks how men wouldn't accept their fate like the CotF have, that men would be angry and fight.   They just seem to have a different outlook on things.   I don't think they would join up with the White Walkers who have been their enemies for over 8000 years due to holding a grudge against men since revenge doesn't seem to motivate them. 

 

I never got the vibe that Bloodraven was an evil guy either, definitely a darker character, but he did help Dunk and Egg out in TMK.  Of course It wouldn't exactly shock me if GRRM revealed them all to be evil and the WWs to be decent in the next book either... 

 

 

 

 

[dos poptarts]

Still reading ADWD, but was wondering if someone is permanently warg'd into Mormont's Raven. Apologize if this has already been discussed in this thread. Not going to start at the thread beginning.

 

 

[CarolinaCoolin]

The CotF are definitely a little creepy, as with anything magical in the series, there is darkness to them, but I don't think they're evil. I think its hard to judge their motives because they aren't human and don't think like humans - Bran thinks about how different they are in one of his chapters where he thinks how men wouldn't accept their fate like the CotF have, that men would be angry and fight. They just seem to have a different outlook on things. I don't think they would join up with the White Walkers who have been their enemies for over 8000 years due to holding a grudge against men since revenge doesn't seem to motivate them.

I never got the vibe that Bloodraven was an evil guy either, definitely a darker character, but he did help Dunk and Egg out in TMK. Of course It wouldn't exactly shock me if GRRM revealed them all to be evil and the WWs to be decent in the next book either...

Be careful with the black and white /good and evil. GRRM has said and shown countless times this series just like life isn't black and white.

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[Porn Shop Clerk]

Still reading ADWD, but was wondering if someone is permanently warg'd into Mormont's Raven. Apologize if this has already been discussed in this thread. Not going to start at the thread beginning.

 

speculations are either momont was a warg, and is now trapped inside his raven, or bloodraven wargs into it to spy on the watch

[rodeo]

I was relieved with how they wrote Shae. When she first stepped up there and had the worried/guilty look on her face, I was afraid they'd pull "Cersei made me, she said she'd kill me, I had no choice!" to fit with the whole change of her character in the show.

[rodeo]

Still reading ADWD, but was wondering if someone is permanently warg'd into Mormont's Raven. Apologize if this has already been discussed in this thread. Not going to start at the thread beginning.

 

I don't know, but here's a tidbit for you that might help clear things up for you.

 

Mormont's raven says "corn" but he might not be saying what you think. Cob corn, or as the natives called it "maize" doesn't exist in Westeros. At that point in history, all cereal grains were referred to as corn. The raven is actually asking for rye or wheat.

 

I know what you're thinking now, though. In the scene where the wildlings wipe out the village north near the wall, the boy and his father talk about eating potatoes. How do they have potatoes, a new world food, but not maize, another new world food?

 

Well that's because the writers are idiots.

 

I hope this answers your questions.