How The Panthers Offseason Fits The Changing Nfl Game

[Man Strength]

btw, i am in no way defending Rolle. just re-iterating what a smart football person had to say. perhaps a better example could have been chosen, but the point still stands.

also note that he was not necessarily playing safety in the role they mentioned him in

[FirstRoundPick]

I'll break down the three parts I have issue with.

1. OT's losing value is laughable. You can say Guard's value increase fine, but I don't see how OT's value decrease when protecting QB is an all time high of importance. The article mentioned the top OT's not having good team records, but what I saw was poor QB play. Without looking it up the OT's get drafted early at a much more signifincant rate than gaurds and centers. Normally you will have one maybe two guys go in the first.

2. Saftey. Only the top guys have a significant impact on a defense if you can get one absolutly go for it. But nothing we picked up comes remotly close.

3. Yeah RB's are pass catchers now. That isn't a trend a that is hard to spot. But they have little value. Short careers, RB by commitee, Easy to replace. Almost everyteam has 2 decent backs now. It is nice to have AP, but I'm not afraid to say I wouldn't pay him the money. From a franchise marketing point yeah, but from a win the Superbowl point. No.

[Fiz]

btw, i am in no way defending Rolle. just re-iterating what a smart football person had to say. perhaps a better example could have been chosen, but the point still stands.

also note that he was not necessarily playing safety in the role they mentioned him in

they've bundled his numbers up between safety/cb/joker/whatever.

Whoever wrote that article is wrong. sorry about your thread.

[Man Strength]

I'll break down the three parts I have issue with.

1. OT's losing value is laughable. You can say Guard's value increase fine, but I don't see how OT's value decrease when 1. protecting QB is an all time high of importance. The article mentioned the top OT's not having good team records, but what I saw was poor QB play. Without looking it up the OT's get drafted early at a much more signifincant rate than gaurds and centers. Normally you will have one maybe two guys go in the first. wh

2. Saftey. Only the top guys have a significant impact on a defense if you can get one absolutly go for it. But nothing we picked up comes remotly close.

3. Yeah RB's are pass catchers now. That isn't a trend a that is hard to spot. But they have little value. Short careers, RB by commitee, Easy to replace. Almost everyteam has 2 decent backs now. It is nice to have AP, but I'm not afraid to say I wouldn't pay him the money. From a franchise marketing point yeah, but from a win the Superbowl point. No.

1) It has been noted by many that at least the past 5 super bowl winners ( and I believe super bowl participants generally) have had mediocre to below mediocre tackles. That was apparently good enough for them to win a super bowl. What you are referencing with the drafts could have more to do with the tackle skill set being rarer. It could still be overvalued, even if it is hard to find. Additionally, nowhere was it said that guards are more important than tackles, just that their relative values are changing.

2) I would tend to agree. Though that says nothing about the increasing importance of having a good one.

3) I believe there are many misconceptions about the running back position. Just because individual rb's have short careers, play by committee, can be found later in drafts, etc. does not mean the rb position as a whole is not important. The articles I linked to also stated that they believe there will be a resurgence in perceived value. The idea was how rbs catching passes affects the game overall. There are many ripple effects. The biggest idea was how their ability to take a hand off or catch a pass totally opens up the playbook.

[Man Strength]

fiz, for what its worth, I am a major believer in the Giants style of play. The more pass rush the better. just pointing out that there are other pieces to the puzzle and other ways to get the job done. at the end of the day, having an effective pass rush is totally integral to success.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Fellas, the Panthers are about to have a breakout season... i feel it in my bones

I know what you mean.

[I am Hubby]

A pass rush is only effective if the play takes long enough for it to get there. If it is a quick 1 or 3 step drop, you ain't getting to the

QB. I don't care who you have rushing, you just don't have the time to get there. Brady had a pretty crappy line, they threw quick passes to make up for it. Move the chains with the short pass, and keep your QB upright.

We do not run that type of offense. The closest we come to West Coast is the check-down. So we need a decent line to give Cameron time to throw it down the field. That gives D-lines time to exert pressure. Kind of a catch 22 type of deal.

You cannot get to the QB every play. The best you hope for is getting pressure, get some knowck-downs, and the occasional sack. Almost every QB will get a little gun shy if you hit him enough. You don't always have to get the sack, but you do have to get pressure.

[L-TownCat]

Op I see what you are getting at and I agree. Now we can work in these new pieces win a fair amount of games this year, attack our weaknesses in the offseason and set the stage for a new dynasty with Cam leading the way. I'm stoked for what's ahead!

[panthersphan]

In Ron We Trust.

[ZeroZeroSeven]

A pass rush is only effective if the play takes long enough for it to get there. If it is a quick 1 or 3 step drop, you ain't getting to the

QB. I don't care who you have rushing, you just don't have the time to get there. Brady had a pretty crappy line, they threw quick passes to make up for it. Move the chains with the short pass, and keep your QB upright.

We do not run that type of offense. The closest we come to West Coast is the check-down. So we need a decent line to give Cameron time to throw it down the field. That gives D-lines time to exert pressure. Kind of a catch 22 type of deal.

You cannot get to the QB every play. The best you hope for is getting pressure, get some knowck-downs, and the occasional sack. Almost every QB will get a little gun shy if you hit him enough. You don't always have to get the sack, but you do have to get pressure.

But with Cam, you have a 6'5" 250 lb QB who can take off and run so it helps negate some of the pass rush.

[Fiz]

Brady had a pretty crappy line, they threw quick passes to make up for it. Move the chains with the short pass, and keep your QB upright.

Brady had a top ten pass blocking line last year.

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

All I can say is...I'm thankful we have the Captain.

[Wither]

I'm not seeing how any of this is a revelation.

[I am Hubby]

But with Cam, you have a 6'5" 250 lb QB who can take off and run so it helps negate some of the pass rush.

You would think the threat of Cameron taking off would slow the rush down a tick or two. Which could mean Cameron gets a tick or two longer to make a decision. Or the rush gets after it to limit the amount of time Cameron has in the first place. I guess the D will have to pick its posion. Bad for them, good for us.

If Cameron improves his accuracy and mechanics, which is pretty much a given, he will become a true dual threat. That is one scary thought.