Meeks and defense

[panthers55]

Fox's philosophy and meeks philosophy are similar which is why Fox brought him in. Both believe that you should get pressure from the line. Both believe in a zone concept in pass defense. Both believe you need to stop the run.

I am sure they have ideas of how to do that and may not be totally in agreement. But knowing Fox he will let meeks have his way as long as he produces results. if he doesn't, expect Fox to be giving more input.

As for running a tampa 2 with the middle linebacker deeper in coverage, that may or may not happen. The Tampa 2 is susceptible to the run and Fox believes in stopping the run at all costs. He may opt for more of a traditional cover 2 look with either zone or man under. It depends on how close they want beason to the line and how well he can cover versus come up and support the run. Harris' role will also vary whether he stays back in a traditional cover 2 or is put closer to the box on running downs.

As long as it isn't a passive bend don't break cover 3 like last year.

[prowler2k8]

Fox's philosophy and meeks philosophy are similar which is why Fox brought him in. Both believe that you should get pressure from the line. Both believe in a zone concept in pass defense. Both believe you need to stop the run.

I am sure they have ideas of how to do that and may not be totally in agreement. But knowing Fox he will let meeks have his way as long as he produces results. if he doesn't, expect Fox to be giving more input.

As for running a tampa 2 with the middle linebacker deeper in coverage, that may or may not happen. The Tampa 2 is susceptible to the run and Fox believes in stopping the run at all costs. He may opt for more of a traditional cover 2 look with either zone or man under. It depends on how close they want beason to the line and how well he can cover versus come up and support the run. Harris' role will also vary whether he stays back in a traditional cover 2 or is put closer to the box on running downs.

As long as it isn't a passive bend don't break cover 3 like last year.

Amen....I think we've all had our fill of that style of defense. And good riddance (if it's truly gone).

[monstercat]

Let me reiterate once again that the Panthers ran a lot of cover 2 with Del Rio and with Trgo in Fox's first 2 years with the team, so this is not really anything new to Fox in the first place. He's comfortable with the cover 2, and I don't think he has any problem with letting his coordinators run their side of the ball...as long as it's working.

The one thing I don't think Fox will ever budge on though, is that he wants to have at least one, and preferably 2 big run stuffing DT's in the rotation.

[Snake]

Looking at player acquisition (draft and undrafted) can give a clue here.

They're definitely acquiring players that would fit the kind of system Meeks prefers. That would make me think there's going to be some flexibility from Fox.

If you look a the different schemes Del Rio and Trgo used you can see that Fox allows his DC to choose how they play there players. In the first part with Trgo we saw alot more man to man then we did with Del Rio and it seemed to work for a few year.

[magnus]

People realize Tampa 2 is a basic zone also, right? I mean, they do pressure the WR at the line much of the time but then release the receiver off to another zone player. I'm fine with this, I just don't want people getting all sad in the mouth when they realize the cover 2 isn't a man, heavy blitzing ridiculous scheme.

I don't think that Meeks' schemes are necessarily shown in the players we picked up - they do fit, but they could fit in last year's scheme as well. But idealogically, I expected us to be more worried about stopping the run, and that's a Fox tenet. Stop the run. Meeks' is more pass oriented, and our first three picks will help the pass more than the run.

[carpanfan96]

People realize Tampa 2 is a basic zone also, right? I mean, they do pressure the WR at the line much of the time but then release the receiver off to another zone player. I'm fine with this, I just don't want people getting all sad in the mouth when they realize the cover 2 isn't a man, heavy blitzing ridiculous scheme.

I don't think that Meeks' schemes are necessarily shown in the players we picked up - they do fit, but they could fit in last year's scheme as well. But idealogically, I expected us to be more worried about stopping the run, and that's a Fox tenet. Stop the run. Meeks' is more pass oriented, and our first three picks will help the pass more than the run.

I hope everyone here knows that the Tampa 2 is a zone defense, its just typically more aggressive with the front 4 pass rush and the Db defense on the receivers.

[magnus]

it's a one gap scheme just like ours. There's no more blitzing, there's no real change in anything but who's got the deep coverage.

[Snake]

it's a one gap scheme just like ours. There's no more blitzing, there's no real change in anything but who's got the deep coverage.

Yea but where dose kemo a 2 gap player fit in. They pushed Kemo to the 2 tec last year to take advantage of him cause he is mostly a space eater and not much of a pass rusher. Im intrigued to see what Meeks will use him for. Really after Kemo all we have are 1 gap DTs.

[panthers55]

Yea but where dose kemo a 2 gap player fit in. They pushed Kemo to the 2 tec last year to take advantage of him cause he is mostly a space eater and not much of a pass rusher. Im intrigued to see what Meeks will use him for. Really after Kemo all we have are 1 gap DTs.

From what I saw the defense for the Panthers last year was shifted to actually benefit Peppers and Lewis. Kemo was lined up on the outside shoulder of the center and his job was to occupy the center and the right guard. That meant that Lewis would be able to line up between the guard and tackle in a three technique while peppers lines up in a five technique which means they can penetrate through the gap and most of the time they won't be double teamed. Brayton would line up over the tackle in a four technique two gap responsibility.

On passing downs Brayton would move inside in a 3 techniqe and Johnson would line up in a 5 technique and all four would play a one gap attacking style.

From what I saw of Meeks style, he does favor a one gap technique across the board and tends to rely on the linebackers and strong safety to stop the run. He rarely blitzes and counts on almost all the pressure to come from the line and primarily the DEs. His style is more attacking on the line but also potentially risky against a team with a power running attack. Instead of holding the edge, Meek's DEs will often go wide and get driven out of the play or get caught inside trying to stunt to the quarterback making easy running lanes.

I hope that meeks will retain the aggressive elements of his defense reagarding corners and safeties while keeping Kemo in the middle in a 2 gap technique and not totally selling out on the pass rush to at least maintain gap responsibilities and holding the edge.

[magnus]

some Tampa 2s have kept a nose tackle in, not unlike Culpepper, McFarland, Hovan in Tampa itself. No idea whether they plan on using him this way.

[ihateforumnames]

From what I saw of Meeks style, he does favor a one gap technique across the board and tends to rely on the linebackers and strong safety to stop the run. He rarely blitzes and counts on almost all the pressure to come from the line and primarily the DEs. His style is more attacking on the line but also potentially risky against a team with a power running attack. Instead of holding the edge, Meek's DEs will often go wide and get driven out of the play or get caught inside trying to stunt to the quarterback making easy running lanes.

I hope that meeks will retain the aggressive elements of his defense reagarding corners and safeties while keeping Kemo in the middle in a 2 gap technique and not totally selling out on the pass rush to at least maintain gap responsibilities and holding the edge.

QFT.

I'm sure Meeks and Fox will take into account the opposing offensive line and offensive philosophy when game planning for Kemo.. Throwing teams should get more percentage of snaps against our one gap look, especially should we have the lead.

At least hopefully that's how it will work

[Mr. Scot]

People realize Tampa 2 is a basic zone also, right? I mean, they do pressure the WR at the line much of the time but then release the receiver off to another zone player. I'm fine with this, I just don't want people getting all sad in the mouth when they realize the cover 2 isn't a man, heavy blitzing ridiculous scheme.

They will at some point.

I don't think that Meeks' schemes are necessarily shown in the players we picked up - they do fit, but they could fit in last year's scheme as well. But idealogically, I expected us to be more worried about stopping the run, and that's a Fox tenet. Stop the run. Meeks' is more pass oriented, and our first three picks will help the pass more than the run.

I remember us being more vulnerable to the pass than the run last year, at least until it all started coming apart and we became vulnerable to pretty much everything :sosp: