Carolina Panthers’ Picking Joe Adams Makes Armanti Edwards Obsolete

[Easyt65]

Joe Adams did not make Armani Edwards obsolete....ARMANI EDWARDS made Armani Edwards obsolete. Drafting Edwards, if anyone remembers back to the circumstances at the time he was drafted, was a stupid idea. I called it at the time and knew this day was coming. Sometimes carolina gets it right in the draft, and sometimes the reach is ridiculously too far. It seemed obvious to me at the time (even I have a 'smart' moment now and then, I guess), and it has finally come full circle. Edwards will not make it as a WR, either. There is too much competition, and he just doesn't have the talent. Nothing personal, but Edwards won't make the roster.

[Panthro]

So you want to go ahead and cut Fua, Armanti, McClain, and probably numerous others before they even go to camp and fight for their jobs? Not only would you be crippling the depth of this team, you would cripple the competitive edge that's necessary in camp and the preseason.

Maybe if Fua and McClain were going into their third year and still hadn't produced anything on the field I would be fine with cutting our losses. Not sure how you can lump together rookies and Armanti.

Oh and having Armanti waste a roster spot on this team is crippling our depth.

[MadHatter]

Maybe if Fua and McClain were going into their third year and still hadn't produced anything on the field I would be fine with cutting our losses. Not sure how you can lump together rookies and Armanti.

Oh and having Armanti waste a roster spot on this team is crippling our depth.

Agree 100%.

Armanti has had opportunities and has produced ZERO.

His punt returning (where he was going to make this team) was pitiful.

Joe Adams IS the player that we hoped Armanti would develop into . The fact that we took him definitely means that Armanti is very likely gone. he will have to earn is spot as a WR (he has lost the PR job already). With Smitty, La Fell, Gettis, Pilares, Adams and even Tutu.....Armanti has a near zero chance of making this squad as a WR. Hell, I bet some of the UDFA that we signed out shine in him camp.

[God]

adams is gonna be a stud. byebye armanti

[CRA]

Tutu, Manno, and Adams will all be cut before AE. You guys are just letting your hate for AE's pick blind your better judgement. None of those receivers have seen the field for us either. You will always have players that don't see the field, it's called reserve depth. AE will get his shot as the 4th WR on the depth chart, at least, this year and if he doesn't do anything he's gone, but he'll be there this year.

Armanti Edwards is how many years into his career and has never made 1 catch? The experiment is over....Rivera won't have deadwood on his roster twice. Edwards has been given too long

Pay no attention to Hurney's bs media talk.... Rivera said 100 times last year was an audition. You will be replaced if you don't show something.

[cookinbrak]

I can see them keeping Edwards and cutting/giving away Little Jimmy Saturday.

[CheeseCP]

You can't compare Fua and McClain to Armanti. He's had an extra year in the system and it's obvious that even though the DTs weren't great last year they produced more than Armanti has in his time here.

[rippadonn]

I can see them keeping Edwards and cutting/giving away Little Jimmy Saturday.

Agree totally. Jimmy Clausen has no business sitting on a bench as third QB. He deserves an opportunity to compete for a first or second spot on a roster. The whole offense was terrible when Jimmy had his opportunity. It wasn't all his fault, not at all. Trade him he's a second rounder.

Armanti Edwards is a NFL third stringer QB not JC. Hurney was thinking Charlie Ward (QB/WR) when he and the FO decided they had to have him (not John Fox). I'd say that Armanti may not be 2nd QB worthy but he may be worthy of a NFL QB education. The Panthers aren't the only team that thought so.

Trade Jimmy. Let this guy train at his natural position and be the backup for D. Anderson. I'm not an Armanti fan but Hurney and the FO are and I don't see them letting Armanti go just yet. The guy is not Cam, never will be, but he could still run the same offense in an emergency that is what a 3rd QB is for.

[Darth Bobo]

Edwards, Pilares, Adams, Smith, Gettis, LaFell <= That is a lot of competition.

Also the other Adams, Ajirotutu, Bersin, Green, Kemp, Manno, Wallace...

When Armanti first did returns he dropped a few, but as a testament to his progress, he beat the drops with coaching. At App St. Edwards ran a LOT, and he has a natural ability to evade arm tackles. We've all seen him do that right after the return catch is made, provided there's been any blocking at all. But Edwards is fast, not quick. He is able to get impressive speed in the open field, but only after an unimpeded start. His lack of acceleration from zero has been killer for Armanti's return stats. On a given return, we might see Armanti evade the first tackle straight up, get a bad angle on a high speed second hit, then get wrapped up before getting 10yds.

I haven't seen a whole lot of Pilares, but getting that return TD did a lot for his value. The coaches have no choice but to compare known results, and right now Pilares exceeds Armanti in the world of returns.

I do think Edwards' experience with Carolina playbooks is worth something. I think his leadership and character have value in the NFL, and to the Panthers org. I think the ability to use him as a backup QB has a very limited but real value, especially when you consider the injury history at the QB position only 2 years ago.

Edwards was drafted as a WR, that ended the conversation about him playing the QB position. The days of Doug Flutie are over, because offensive linemen are 6'5" now, and the defensive linemen opposite them can bat down passes at 9'. If a short guy (<6') tries to throw over that imaginary wall, it is a BLIND LOB, and it will be intercepted more frequently. Sure, you can stick a guy like that in shotgun, but for how many downs? Edwards is physically disadvantaged at the QB position, except with the opportunistic element of surprise.

It is truly a shame that the rare wildcat attempts we made (some under Davidson, not Chud) fell apart under pressure, because I think reverses, wildcat, and go-route (or fly-route, depending on your preference) receiving is probably the most natural way to use Edwards given his height & weight, his super fast 4th gear, and the 'meh' acceleration in 2nd gear. Armanti will beat defenders chasing him from behind, and he can evade that first defender, but he is not going to get to the 4th gear if he is getting chinked moving past larger defenders. Physically, his best opportunities are created by avoiding contact.

The contract Armanti signed for the 2010 year was a 4 year contract for 2.5m. He got around 750k signing bonus, and is slated to make 490K this year and 570k next year(2013). Economically, Edwards is cheap. Cutting him would do little to make salary cap space, so I doubt that would be a supplemental reason to do it.

[Panthro]

his roster spot is more valuable than his cap hit

[CRA]

Agree totally. Jimmy Clausen has no business sitting on a bench as third QB. He deserves an opportunity to compete for a first or second spot on a roster. The whole offense was terrible when Jimmy had his opportunity. It wasn't all his fault, not at all. Trade him he's a second rounder.

Armanti Edwards is a NFL third stringer QB not JC. Hurney was thinking Charlie Ward (QB/WR) when he and the FO decided they had to have him (not John Fox). I'd say that Armanti may not be 2nd QB worthy but he may be worthy of a NFL QB education. The Panthers aren't the only team that thought so.

Trade Jimmy. Let this guy train at his natural position and be the backup for D. Anderson. I'm not an Armanti fan but Hurney and the FO are and I don't see them letting Armanti go just yet. The guy is not Cam, never will be, but he could still run the same offense in an emergency that is what a 3rd QB is for.

If it wasn't all Jimmy's fault....it was 80% his fault.

Same with Gabbert.

They aren't NFL starters.

[La Pantera]

If Edwards does not improve in a HUGE way as a WR he is gone, no if,ands or buts.

[Rubi]

Some people are just hanging on to the Armanti project like some dream just hoping and wishing for it so they can say "Ahh told you so!!"

Let's be serious. There's a reason they brought in WR free agents after the draft...and Adams is the returner and probably the #4 behind smith Lafell and gettis

[PantherPhann89]

I have to admit that I wouldn't mind seeing Armanti play QB, in the PreSeason, to see what he's got. If we can trade Jimmy by week 6, that would be good. Or, we can keep Jimmy, dial up plays for him to have a nice PreSeason, and trade him to get our pick back we traded away next year. Hmmm, I like the latter...