Your Carolina Panthers Draft Grade On Day Two?

[carpanfan96]

so did R Leaf and J Russell etc

like I said NO ONE knows how he'll perform against nfl caliber competition

sorry .. but it's true!

Ok... your point? You said it was a reach, which means the pick doesn't have value. I proved you wrong, by giving you his draft grade. On top of that no one knows 100% about anyone in the draft and how they'll handle the NFL lifestyle, but saying he's a reach because he is from a D2 school is false. He had a first round grade, which made him a value pick.

He had that first round grade for a reason those being

Skill set, Demeanor, athleticism and work ethic.

I'm sorry, but it's true!

[koolkatluke]

C getting a good player but still not feeling a need.

[xtheronx]

Ok... your point? You said it was a reach, which means the pick doesn't have value. I proved you wrong, by giving you his draft grade. On top of that no one knows 100% about anyone in the draft and how they'll handle the NFL lifestyle, but saying he's a reach because he is from a D2 school is false. He had a first round grade, which made him a value pick.

He had that first round grade for a reason those being

Skill set, Demeanor, athleticism and work ethic.

I'm sorry, but it's true!

dude .. scouts said the same thing about those other FLOPS!

my point is .. he's never played against NFL caliber players .. like those you find in SEC and ACC

thus, drafting him is a reach!! they/you are ASSUMING he'll play as well at the next level .. but there's no physical evidence such as playing against current/former NFL players in college!

Of course I hope he's a beast .. but you're fooling yourself if you don't think it was a reach .. that's why it's rare to see kids from smaller schools drafted early on .. because it's too far of a REACH .. that's why those kids usually go 5th round and later!

That being said .. he might be less of a reach .. but he's still a reach

[Davidson Deac II]

so did R Leaf and J Russell etc

like I said NO ONE knows how any college player perform against nfl caliber competition

sorry .. but it's true!

Fixed it for you. :)

[xtheronx]

Fixed it for you. :)

True .. but if they've played against former/current NFL players while in college .. It's at least some indication they can hold their own on the next level

At least more indication vs someone who has NEVER played against elite competition in college

[klumme]

True .. but if they've played against former/current NFL players while in college .. It's at least some indication they can hold their own on the next level

At least more indication vs someone who has NEVER played against elite competition in college

Well to use your own example... J Russell. He played againts so called elite competition in college and did well.

Yes most D2 players gets drafted later because there is lesser talent at the D2 level. But when there is a great talent they get drafted just as high as everyone else and where they played means little to nothing. Hell he might have faced more NFL like competition than the great Andrew Luck in the No D Pac 12

[dugbug]

lololololol at including Greg Olsen

Huh? He's the trade for 3rd. rnd pick.

[AceMan]

I gave it a B.

I really feel like we were targeting Jenkins for some reason...but Silatolu was a great alternative. Was like the #2 rated guard

[MadHatter]

He went right before us how could we have had him?

I know. Just stating that I dropped the grade to a B because we chose not to address CB in the second.

[carpanfan96]

dude .. scouts said the same thing about those other FLOPS!

my point is .. he's never played against NFL caliber players .. like those you find in SEC and ACC

thus, drafting him is a reach!! they/you are ASSUMING he'll play as well at the next level .. but there's no physical evidence such as playing against current/former NFL players in college!

Of course I hope he's a beast .. but you're fooling yourself if you don't think it was a reach .. that's why it's rare to see kids from smaller schools drafted early on .. because it's too far of a REACH .. that's why those kids usually go 5th round and later!

That being said .. he might be less of a reach .. but he's still a reach

The type of players he went up against, doesn't matter when it comes to reach or value. Understand the draft before you talk about it. Reach and value are based upon the player rankings, Silatolu was a first round rated prospect by most scouts. The lowest ranking I've seen has him ranked 37th overall. Which would still make him a value pick at 40 because he was taken further down in the draft based on his rankings. That's at least a +3 value pick, most would have it as a +8 or so value pick.

Playing in the SEC doesn't guarantee success, so that doesn't matter. The NFL is a different ball game even compared to the SEC.

Silatolu was a highly ranked player who was drafted high in the second round because it was a VALUE PICK and he was BPA by far.

[koolkatluke]

The type of players he went up against, doesn't matter when it comes to reach or value. Understand the draft before you talk about it. Reach and value are based upon the player rankings, Silatolu was a first round rated prospect by most scouts. The lowest ranking I've seen has him ranked 37th overall. Which would still make him a value pick at 40 because he was taken further down in the draft based on his rankings. That's at least a +3 value pick, most would have it as a +8 or so value pick.

Playing in the SEC doesn't guarantee success, so that doesn't matter. The NFL is a different ball game even compared to the SEC.

Silatolu was a highly ranked player who was drafted high in the second round because it was a VALUE PICK and he was BPA by far.

At a position that wasn't a major need.

[xtheronx]

The type of players he went up against, doesn't matter when it comes to reach or value. Understand the draft before you talk about it. Reach and value are based upon the player rankings, Silatolu was a first round rated prospect by most scouts. The lowest ranking I've seen has him ranked 37th overall. Which would still make him a value pick at 40 because he was taken further down in the draft based on his rankings. That's at least a +3 value pick, most would have it as a +8 or so value pick.

Playing in the SEC doesn't guarantee success, so that doesn't matter. The NFL is a different ball game even compared to the SEC.

Silatolu was a highly ranked player who was drafted high in the second round because it was a VALUE PICK and he was BPA by far.

Oops double post

[xtheronx]

The type of players he went up against, doesn't matter when it comes to reach or value. Understand the draft before you talk about it. Reach and value are based upon the player rankings, Silatolu was a first round rated prospect by most scouts. The lowest ranking I've seen has him ranked 37th overall. Which would still make him a value pick at 40 because he was taken further down in the draft based on his rankings. That's at least a +3 value pick, most would have it as a +8 or so value pick.

Playing in the SEC doesn't guarantee success, so that doesn't matter. The NFL is a different ball game even compared to the SEC.

Silatolu was a highly ranked player who was drafted high in the second round because it was a VALUE PICK and he was BPA by far.

sorry man .. and no offense .. but that post makes zero sense

he's a reach because we spent a second round pick on an unproven commodity

what has he proven to anyone? that he can throw around guys that weren't talent worthy of a D1 school?

playing in the SEC/ACC or any other major conference does make a difference .. that means he's gone up against the best of the best .. it's a great indicator of likely success/failure on the next level

he may prove to be great .. I hope he does

I guess we can agree to disagree lol

go panthers!!

[carpanfan96]

sorry man .. and no offense .. but that post makes zero sense

he's a reach because we spent a second round pick on an unproven commodity

what has he proven to anyone? that he can throw around guys that weren't talent worthy of a D1 school?

playing in the SEC/ACC or any other major conference does make a difference .. that means he's gone up against the best of the best .. it's a great indicator of likely success/failure on the next level

he may prove to be great .. I hope he does

I guess we can agree to disagree lol

go panthers!!

Guess we can as for my post

What I'm saying is you have a draft board with draft rankings.. Correct? You rank guys based off of potential, how they project as NFL players.

That's what the draft is all about, every single player in the draft is an unproven commodity in the NFL. The fact that one played in the SEC and the other in D2 only matters during evaluation. Once that's over and the board is ranked, it doesn't matter where you played at in college.

If you take a guy who's got a first round grade in the early second, that's a value pick regardless of where the player played.

That's all I was saying about the Value/reach factor. You can say he won't work out because of his college, but that still doesn't effect his current Draft Reach/Value factor.