Josh Norris Not A Fan Of Luke Kuechly

[panthers55]

Dude just admit your a fan boy and get over it. Cox is way more talented than Kuechly by a far margin. He plays two spots and is very polished pass rusher and at stopping the run. While Kuechly is a good tackler he does not have the pass rush skills needed to even be considered BPA in the top 15. Im sure you will come back with a derp derp derp not uh your stupid response because I told you the truth about your boy.

No he isn't at all. His numbers are pedestrian and his measurables are not that great either. Kuechly for his position has much greater production and better measurables. If this draft were about the best player Kuechly would be top 5. The only reason he is projected lower is because his position in a 4-3 is not valued as much as a quarterback or a DE/DT or corner. And that is based on the salary to obtain a top one not based on value to a team.

[panthers55]

passing situations you are more than likely in a nickel or dime package.

That is said often but isn't really true. In 2010 teams passed 46% of the time on first down. How many teams come out in a nickel or dime package on first down????

Interesting article. It says that teams should pass more than they do because they have more success. But run pass balance according to this article hasn't really changed that much in the past 10 years.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b191f4/printable/while-some-qbs-chase-history-offensive-balance-has-its-place

[DaCityKats]

That is said often but isn't really true. In 2010 teams passed 46% of the time on first down. How many teams come out in a nickel or dime package on first down????

Interesting article. It says that teams should pass more than they do because they have more success. But run pass balance according to this article hasn't really changed that much in the past 10 years.

http://www.nfl.com/n...e-has-its-place

well how many teams are in a nickel package on 1st down, i bet just as many that pass on 1st. just cause you pass on 1st doesnt mean you are not in a nickel or dime package. it really depends who is on the field(personel), if you are playing a team such as the pats or packers a team known for running a lot of 3 wide or TE flex sets your going to be in the nickel package a lot. each coach has on a head set, and the guys upstairs will see whats coming onto the field.

[DaCityKats]

I read that. A couple of things. Willis isn't included because he went at 11 and Von Miller wasn't included because he is too recent. And you have Dan Morgan who was drafted at 11 as well. So that top 10 is all good and well but even that gives you an N of 6. If you expand it to top 11 and include Willis, Von Miller and Morgan all of sudden you have 9 guys who have been to 8 probowls and that list will only expand as well. Now compare that to the defensive line and you get a very similar comparison. All of a sudden taking a linebacker in the top 11 is no worse than taking a d linemen. Funny how stats can be misleading can't they????

that stat says top 10, no top 11. again you bring up guys not drafted in the top 10 in Morgan and Willis. Miller is playing in a 4-3 but his best spot was as a 3-4 OLB, but il still give you that one. you say that stat is misleading but its not, because you added 1 extra spot but yet its still nowhere near the impact of taking the top DL. and 26 guys/ 29 pro bowls> 9 guys/ 8 pro bowls.

[frash.exe]

I read that. A couple of things. Willis isn't included because he went at 11 and Von Miller wasn't included because he is too recent. And you have Dan Morgan* who was drafted at 11 as well. So that top 10 is all good and well but even that gives you an N of 6. If you expand it to top 11 and include Willis, Von Miller and Morgan* all of sudden you have 9 guys who have been to 8 probowls and that list will only expand as well. Now compare that to the defensive line and you get a very similar comparison. All of a sudden taking a linebacker in the top 11 is no worse than taking a d linemen. Funny how stats can be misleading can't they????

*missed almost as many games as he played. not sure that makes his career a resounding success

[kdrh5]

Keuchly is slow-twitch with a low upside but he ran really fast for a LB in a straight line in a controlled environment and made every tackle for a defense that couldn't stop anyone, so that of course makes him a better prospect than Beason coming out of college.

It's no surprise a select few posters here, one in particular, dream of making him their avatar photo.

[Panthro]

Josh Norris is a smart guy

[CRA]

Keuchly is slow-twitch with a low upside but he ran really fast for a LB in a straight line in a controlled environment and made every tackle for a defense that couldn't stop anyone, so that of course makes him a better prospect than Beason coming out of college.

It's no surprise a select few posters here, one in particular, dream of making him their avatar photo.

He was just a better college LB than Beason. Simple and plain. Who knows about the next level.....

And again, he was better behind the line of scrimmage than Beason as well. Luke gets his man.

It is obvious who does and doesn't watch ACC football around here. If you liked Beason coming out....you should like Luke. If you don't like Luke.....you probably were one of the many asking why the hell did why draft this Jon Beason kid

[Panthro]

Aaron Curry and AJ Hawk were better college LBs than Beason...goes both ways. Like JR

[mav1234]

something for guys to take into consideration.

not ragging on you here DaCityKats, but that comparison is pretty terrible - sample size is very small, most of the LBs listed were outside the top 5 but being compared to a whole slew of DEs being taken in the top 5... but peppers, k. williams, and suggs alone account for 18 of those 29 probowls.

http://www.vincentvalour.com/nfl-draft-history-1st-round-positional-hitbust-rate-defense/html

dunno if this is accurate, but you can see that LBs do not have a crazy high burst rate... but the best LBers have fallen a little bit out of the top 10 in recent years. save for Von Miller, who is a beast...

[panthers55]

well how many teams are in a nickel package on 1st down, i bet just as many that pass on 1st. just cause you pass on 1st doesnt mean you are not in a nickel or dime package. it really depends who is on the field(personel), if you are playing a team such as the pats or packers a team known for running a lot of 3 wide or TE flex sets your going to be in the nickel package a lot. each coach has on a head set, and the guys upstairs will see whats coming onto the field.

So I gave you a statistic which shows that teams pass frequently on first down and you say how do I know teams aren't in nickel and dime packages on first down. Well, for starters team are still running the ball 53% of the time on first down. Why would a team be in a nickel package when the opponent is more likely to run the ball than pass. Plus it is 1st and 10. Nickel is usually reserved for obvious passing downs. Since teams are more likely to run than pass, by definition it isn't an obvious passing down.

If you read the article you would note that the Pats run more than pass on first down even though people think the opposite, same with the Packers. So again why would you come out in the wrong set when it is easier to play the pass with a regular set than it is to play the run with a nickel or dime package.

[panthers55]

*missed almost as many games as he played. not sure that makes his career a resounding success

We were talking probowls right?? Not games missed.....

[panthers55]

Keuchly is slow-twitch with a low upside but he ran really fast for a LB in a straight line in a controlled environment and made every tackle for a defense that couldn't stop anyone, so that of course makes him a better prospect than Beason coming out of college.

It's no surprise a select few posters here, one in particular, dream of making him their avatar photo.

SO how does a low twitch guy run a 4.59 forty and has great measurables in the 10 and 20 yards splits and agility drills as well as the vertical leap. By definition that requires fast twitch muscle. So no need to read the rest.

[smitty_89]

At first glance, I read that as "Chuck Norris not a fan of Luke Kuechly"....I couldn't have been the only one....and who the fug is Josh Norris and fug Kuchily or whatever his gay name is...this whole thread is dildos.