Marty Hurney Apparently Lied About Fletcher Cox

[koolkatluke]

It's cool that you don't like Cox as our top pick and all, but at least support it with factual information. C'mon man, I don't know where you pulled this statistic from, but I counted 30 QB pressures in just 3 games I looked at.. the guy probably had 80 QB pressures on the year.

I think we were talking about QB pressures and I didn't Morph it into anything.

[Floppin]

Well then Lout morphed and you ran with it. He quoted P55 who was talking about "hurries", as he clearly said in his post "hurries" multiple times and in subsequent posts. Either way, we are talking about hurries, not some made up poo. Rationalize it how you will. Maybe the issue is a reading comprehension problem with you and Lout?

[Floppin]

If they pick Cox, then they are admitting that Rivera and Hurney blew it with McClain last year. You don't draft a guy at the 65th pick in the draft and then redraft another the next year unless you have a situation like we did with Clausen. Even then Newton was the number 1 pick in the draft and had huge upside. Cox really doesn't. Now if we had a chance to draft a Suh which is the DT version of Newton, then you do it in a heartbeat. I can't see where Cox provides so much more than a guy we can get in the second round. It we want pass rush both Ingram and Coples bring more to the table by far. At least with Williams and Stewart they waiting 2 years.

Cox had 5 sacks last year and 4 of those were in 2 games. (South Carolina and Kentucky) and 1 against Wake Forest. The other 9 games he had none. Add that he had a total of 3 quarterback hurries and you see a guy who pressured or got to the quarterback a total of 8 times in 12 games. Hardly the terrific pass rusher people are making him out to be.

Funny that Coples had 7.5 sacks and he is considered lazy and unmotivated but Cox has 5 and he has a high motor and never quits.

When you look at all our choices you get the sense that there is not that much to choose from really. Ingram brings the most to the table and by many accounts will be gone when we pick at 9.

Here's the original post that started this masturbation.

[Mother Grabber]

If only we could find a great DT who's last name was Vagina, we'd be all set.

[koolkatluke]

Here's the original post that started this masturbation.

. Add that he had a total of 3 quarterback hurries and you see a guy who pressured or got to the quarterback a total of 8 times in 12 games. Hardly the terrific pass rusher people are making him out to be.

He said Pressure as well. But this can stop now.

[Floppin]

He said he pressured the QB's not that he was credited with a pressure. He was being descriptive, not referring to a statistic like you are trying to do with "pressures'

[koolkatluke]

He said he pressured the QB's not that he was credited with a pressure. He was being descriptive, not referring to a statistic like you are trying to do with "pressures'

He also tried to compare sack total for a player who played more DE to player who played more DT.

[panthers55]

He said he pressured the QB's not that he was credited with a pressure. He was being descriptive, not referring to a statistic like you are trying to do with "pressures'

Appreciate the support. Typical backtracking when a person has an untenable position. As you noted hurries are specific and measurable although still somewhat subjective. I have no idea was a quarterback pressure is as a measurable stat.

[Floppin]

He also tried to compare sack total for a player who played more DE to player who played more DT.

I believe that was to make the argument that, from a pure applying pressure to QB standpoint, he doesn't have as much value as someone, from say, a DE position.

[koolkatluke]

Appreciate the support. Typical backtracking when a person has an untenable position. As you noted hurries are specific and measurable although still somewhat subjective. I have no idea was a quarterback pressure is as a measurable stat.

I love how you are trying to find ways to discredit everybody but Kuelchy..

Now the thing that Fletcher is giving credit for his pass rushing ability is false.

[panthers55]

He also tried to compare sack total for a player who played more DE to player who played more DT.

Because we need a pass rusher and the conversation has been about someone who could play the 3 technique or the 5 technique which means coming off the edge. Honestly we don't need another 3 technique guy who can't pressure the quarterback. And 8 times where he had a sack or hurries the quarterback in 12 games it surely not the definition of a pass rusher.

McClain had 3 sacks and 5 quarterback hurries his senior year. So they both had eight. Don't know why we would replace one guy with another who had no better success rushing the passer.

If we assume that Rivera is looking for an edge rusher then bringing in Cox makes little sense. That was the point of the conversation. Don't act all hurt, it isn't personal just the facts based on what Rivera defined as our biggest need.

[koolkatluke]

I believe that was to make the argument that, from a pure applying pressure to QB standpoint, he doesn't have as much value as someone, from say, a DE position.

But what does that have to do with anything we're talking about a DT pass rushing ability compare to a DE rushing ability. 2 different position 2 different styles and expectation to get to the QB.

[Jangler]

Bring him in

Cox?

[koolkatluke]

Because we need a pass rusher and the conversation has been about someone who couldplay the 3 technique or the 5 technique which means coming off the edge. Honestly we don't need another 3 technique guy who can't pressure the quarterback. And 8 times where he had a sack or hurries the quarterback in 12 games it surely not the definition of a pass rusher.

McClain had 3 sacks and 5 quarterback hurries his senior year. So they both had eight. Don't know why we would replace one guy with another who had no better success rushing the passer.

Now McClain and Fletcher Cox are the same player?