Kirkpatrick Vs. Gilmore

[HeatCheck]

I am not saying they did.

I just don't understand the people that say Dre is better in man because Bama played more man(not saying that's what actually happened). Just because one team plays a certain system doesn't mean everyone who plays in that system is better suited for the system.

[ClarkCam]

I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.

[Dash Global]

I think it is pretty questionable to say "Kirkpatrick is the best corner, period" like some of you are saying because of the fact that so many scouts have them pretty neck and neck.... With Gilmore usually coming out on top for most analysts. You can say all you want that "Gilmore is a Dontari Poe", but that's just not true. He has had good game tape, combine just brought him up even more. I can't explain to you how it was overlooked, but I can tell you the guy has talent and that it is not purely based on his combine.

So you think Gilmore was a shut down CB last year?

I think his love is due more to his potential than actually on the field play

[LinvilleGorge]

I really, really like Kirkpatrick as a football player. I think he's going to be a darn good pro. However, I think Gilmore may be the better fit in our defensive scheme. If we want to be aggressive getting after the QB with the front 7, we need some CBs that can lock down guys in man coverage. I think Gilmore fits that bill better than Kirkpatrick.

[ClarkCam]

So you think Gilmore was a shut down CB last year?

I think his love is due more to his potential than actually on the field play

No, but I don't think Kirkpatrick was either. Gilmore is improving more steadily than Dre... Gilmore just has to improve some mechanics, like staying low to the ground in his backpedal so he can cut on the ball better.... Dre can't really improve his playing speed/ ball skills are hard to learn. That's why I prefer Gilmore. I think the Panthers do to, since I have not heard anything about Kirkpatrick coming in for a visit.

[LinvilleGorge]

I agree that Kirkpatrick is the better player right now, but if we're going to ask him to primarily play man, I have to wonder if he has the hip swivel to stay with quicker receivers. He's really stiff in the hips for a CB. I actually think he may be better suited to play safety in our defense. If we take him, I'll have no problem with it, but I definitely feel Gilmore is the better fit for our D.

[carpanfan96]

Bama did NOT play more man....they were heavily zone.

It was from the draft profile's on CBS and a few other sites are saying that Bama ran mostly man. I posted one of them and got that Bama plays man or zone discussion.

It's the Alabama defense. Saban likes to throw different looks. I honestly think he struggles in man, though he does have the experience. He tends to get grabby and loses the ball in the air a lot. He also isn't quick off his break, so receivers can break from him.

I didn't word my post right, I was trying to ask why are the draft sites from major companies saying that Bama ran mostly man with Kirkpatrick. Sorry about that.

[DirtyMagic97]

I didn't word my post right, I was trying to ask why are the draft sites from major companies saying that Bama ran mostly man with Kirkpatrick. Sorry about that.

Ah, I gotcha. Then to be honest, I am not sure. Kirkpatrick mostly ran zone and had most of his success in zone coverage. At least as far as I could tell when watching him play.

[carpanfan96]

Found it, this is from Kirkpatrick himself in an combine interview.

"We play a lot of man and zone and off coverage," Kirkpatrick said of Alabama's scheme. "The main thing we really play is man and bump and run but my zone skills I'm happy where I'm at with them."

It's down in the overview section.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145

[HeatCheck]

What does it matter what they played? Dre's attributes point to him playing well in zone and needing some improvement in man. He has great potential to improve his man but from what you see right now, he fits zone better.

[ClarkCam]

I want a guy who dominates man..... Gilmore has the tools to dominate, but definitely needs some improvement... Gilmore is also a baller in zone, breaks on the ball really well, so I see Gilmore as the better option when comparing them like that.

[HeatCheck]

Gilmore can't tackle like Dre though.

[ClarkCam]

Gilmore makes bigger hits... Dre tackles high as well... But I see your point. I am not saying one is better than the other, but based on what you said earlier about Dre needing help in man, I rather take Gilmore. Gilmore only needs help with his backpedal technique, and is already good in zone. I see Gilmore as an easier player to teach than Kirkpatrick.

[KendrickPanther]

I think the part that may trouble some people is your wording "marijuana can mess up your life".. as if you are comparing it to cocaine, heroine, or even alcohol.. sure, getting busted in public is both stupid and negatively impacts one's life, but people also aren't selling their body or stealing other people's property just to acquire another "high"...

Maybe I need to rephrase that to "mess up your career". A perfect example of this is Ricky Williams. He had many problems in his life but the one that prevented him from playing football was marijuana. Another example is Janoris Jenkins. This guy could have been drafted in the top 10 and signed a deal with nice guaranteed money. Instead he will fall to the 2nd maybe further. There are professionals all over this country that are subject to drug screening. Marijuana is almost certainly not going to kill or maim you. But in many cases it can cost you your career if you're reckless.