Joe Person Says "draft Is Shaping Up" (Lol)

[top dawg]

The receiver still has to run the route, create separation, and catch the ball, though. In this sense, I believe that receivers are underrated and QBs are overrated.

The YAC is probably what distinguishes the good ones from the great ones, and YAC can help an otherwise ordinary QB look great.

[La Pantera]

Ball placement also has a lot to do with YAC. If the ball isn't thrown to an area that allows run after, its pretty hard to gain a lot of extra yards.

[thefuzz]

If we are not trading back I don't like the idea of WR in the 1st or 2nd this year.

[panthers55]

The receiver still has to run the route, create separation, and catch the ball, though. In this sense, I believe that receivers are underrated and QBs are overrated.

The YAC is probably what distinguishes the good ones from the great ones, and YAC can help an otherwise ordinary QB look great.

And I don't know that most first rounders have better technique and route running skills compared to 2nd, third or even fourth rounders. Look at the guys potentially in the first round like Floyd or Hill. What got them a high draft consideration was usually size or speed which is still often negated in the NFL by physical play by corners. They still have learn technique, getting separation and figuring out shifting coverages. Look at Crabtree for example, he is still trying to figure it out.

[thefuzz]

And I don't know that most first rounders have better technique and route running skills compared to 2nd, third or even fourth rounders. Look at the guys potentially in the first round like Floyd or Hill. What got them a high draft consideration was usually size or speed which is still often negated in the NFL by physical play by corners. They still have learn technique, getting separation and figuring out shifting coverages. Look at Crabtree for example, he is still trying to figure it out.

Understandable, however you can't coach size and speed. Two things that are extremely valuable to WR's in the modern game.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Joe Person makes me want to be a sports writer...

[panthers55]

Understandable, however you can't coach size and speed. Two things that are extremely valuable to WR's in the modern game.

But it isn't exclusive to the first round either. Childs from Arkansas is 6-3 and ran anywhere from 4.5 at the combine to 4.39 at his pro day (yeah pro days are unreliable), still he is recovering from a knee injury and will be a 4-6 rounder.

Robinson for Arizona State is 6'3" and ran a 4.6 and is expected go in the 5-6 round.

Moye from Penn State is 6'4" and ran a 4.5. He projects to a 7th rounder at this point.

Sure these guy have issues but if size or speed is the issue, then these guys might deserve a look in the later rounds.

[tiger7_88]

I thought the point of having a great quarterback was so they could elevate everyone around them and make average receivers good and good receivers great. If Newton is all that he should be like Brees or Brady who can make low round draft picks into pro-bowl players.

Colston and Graham are outstanding receivers for Drew Brees.

Welker and Gronk are outstanding receivers for Tom Brady.

(P.S. It doesn't matter what round you were drafted in... it just matters your performance ON THE FIELD.)

Any quarterback can do well with a top 10 wide receiver.

How soon we forget 2010.

Great quarterbacks take the Welkers who was undrafted or the Colstons drafted in the seventh and make them look great. Smith was a third rounder. Seems to me that wide receiver is definitely one of the spots where there is more value in later rounds than there is in the first.

Again, Welker and Gronk and Colston and Graham aren't great because of Brees and Brady. They're great because THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS. The round they are drafted in means absolutely nothing.

You seem to think great quarterbacks don't need great players around them. That's ridiculous.

[Tarheels23]

I thought the point of having a great quarterback was so they could elevate everyone around them and make average receivers good and good receivers great. If Newton is all that he should be like Brees or Brady who can make low round draft picks into pro-bowl players. Any quarterback can do well with a top 10 wide receiver. Great quarterbacks take the Welkers who was undrafted or the Colstons drafted in the seventh and make them look great. Smith was a third rounder. Seems to me that wide receiver is definitely one of the spots where there is more value in later rounds than there is in the first.

I agree with this statement!

This is why I'm not as quick as others to call Dwayne Jarrett and Keary Colbert a bust. I think Jake and the coaching staff had a lot to do with their struggles as they did, minus the Dwayne Jarrett off the field issues.

Jarrett had one of the best hands on the team, but all we heard was that he struggled to learn the playbook and couldn't get separation, but if you think about it, how much of Jarrett did we really get to see for ourselves?

There's no way Lafell would've had his breakout year with Jake as his QB, and the only reason Keary had the year he had in '04 was because Smitty was on IR.

I like what Jake did for this team, but he was definitely a 1 read QB.

[KendrickPanther]

Just be open minded guys. We have needs at virtually every position. Even some of our best players are old or coming off injuries. Hurney would have to draft a running back, quarterback, long snapper, and center to piss me off at this point.

[La Pantera]

Well don't be pissed if they draft a RB...lol. I hope they don't, but I will not be shocked!

[Argus Plexus]

I need a time machine...

[panthers55]

Colston and Graham are outstanding receivers for Drew Brees.

Welker and Gronk are outstanding receivers for Tom Brady.

(P.S. It doesn't matter what round you were drafted in... it just matters your performance ON THE FIELD.)

How soon we forget 2010.

Again, Welker and Gronk and Colston and Graham aren't great because of Brees and Brady. They're great because THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS. The round they are drafted in means absolutely nothing.

You seem to think great quarterbacks don't need great players around them. That's ridiculous.

First of all Clausen was never a great quarterback so 2010 is irrelevant. Secondly my whole point is that great quarterbacks make all their receivers look good. Thirdly, Welker and Colston prove that you can get great receivers outside of the first round. In fact if you look at the top 20 receivers in the league, more are not first rounders than are by far. Even of the first rounders most were selected outside of the top 10. Unless you think that Floyd is the next Calvin Johnson then picking a WR at 9 is nuts IMO.

[Floppin]

But it isn't exclusive to the first round either. Childs from Arkansas is 6-3 and ran anywhere from 4.5 at the combine to 4.39 at his pro day (yeah pro days are unreliable), still he is recovering from a knee injury and will be a 4-6 rounder.

Robinson for Arizona State is 6'3" and ran a 4.6 and is expected go in the 5-6 round.

Moye from Penn State is 6'4" and ran a 4.5. He projects to a 7th rounder at this point.

Sure these guy have issues but if size or speed is the issue, then these guys might deserve a look in the later rounds.

Brian Quick, 6-5 ran a 4.5, projected anywhere from 2-5th round.